Police Standards

[Partyroo]

Hi,

Ok, I am so sick & tired of cops "accidentally" ramming & getting away with it. Something needs to be done, I have lost 5 loads over 4 days because of cops weight checking on the ferry, blowing up gas stations, drifting round corners & so on. I'm sick of paying for the load loss & the cops don't even apologise. I don't know what else I can suggest, every idea I have had to help the server police become a better driver has been completely ignored by administrators.

I don't care what is done but something must be done, as I said I am so sick & tired of idiot drivers, getting in a cop car & thinking they can do what ever comes into their little idiot mind. Because they get a siren & get to stop trucks they then start thinking they can push in front in construction sites & what have you.

[Konali]

Since this is a topic where people would like to argue etc etc and thats not allowed within the ''reports and requests'' board i placed it here.

Konali

[ThomasKirkman]

OK Skippy.  Here is two cents worth from a cop's point of view.  This is by no means an excuse for all ramming, but it does cover quite a bit of it.
Cop follows truck, issues ticket or tags for weight check.  Truck locks brakes and cop hits rear of truck or cop swerves into another truck to avoid collision with first truck.  Or truck doesn't stop right away forcing cop to follow after issuing ticket or weight check.  So cop is speeding up to catch truck when truck locks brakes forcing same situation to occur.  Trucker usually does this right in the middle of the road, and doesn't pull to the side.  The trucker blames cop for ramming and whines about having to be weighed when he "NEVER OVERLOADS".

Another one.  Trucker with fines is in the middle of three or four other trucks.  Again, gets tagged for ticket, hits brakes and cop again tries to avoid collision with ticketed truck but hits others due to loss of control.

And another.  Trucker has fines. Knows he has fines.  Sees the cop following.  Goes as fast as he can.  When cop gets close, trucker locks the brakes.  Collision occurs.  Trucker whines about getting rammed again.

The bad one.  Cop is pursuing suspect.  Lights and siren blaring.  Cop is passing truck when truck turns in front of cop.  Collision occurs.  Intentional ramming whine is posted.

And always from the trucker you see "Stupid Noob Cop".  Gee.  That makes me sure want to extend and apology.  You see, it gets old from a cops stand point also.  I see truckers jack-knife in front of me all the time in an attempt to get me to hit them.  Accidental ramming occurs a lot.  But from my standpoint, it is usually attributed to, shall we say other factors.  As I say, this isn't always the case and I have seen a lot of stupid cop moves from a truckers point of view too.  But next time you get hit, consider what the cop is involved with at the time.  If worse comes to worse, PM him and ask "Why".

ThomasKirkman   

[Joshy]

You do know, if you look at the mini-map before corners, and stop for cops smoothly (don't lock on brakes), you won't have any problems.

[$nake]

even if a cop has failed trucker's mission not intentionally, he should give him back money for that,
coz its his fault, trucker doesnt care bout that he was pursuing or driving for fun,
just give him back money for failed mission, and he wont be so mad..
but some of cops are intentionally ramming or blocking for fines,
they doesnt care that trucker will crash to water or sth,
they wants his shitty $150..

[Viper]

i agree with Santroo i hate when they fine me on the ferry it againsest the rule and they jail u cuz u did god damn pay the ticket cuz of  idioit cops who dont read the cop rule and that why we get shitty

[R16RACA]

i think the problem is not good cops here, but ones that piss around, try and beat other cops to tickets, tailgate tickets and weights. Now that SF driving school is open, we should use it. I used to be a cop all the time, but then all this sorta shit started coming up. now, all i do is go after players i know wont have a bitch because i weighed them or whatever.
COPS: this is a trucking server. respect the truckers. don't do stupid shit
TRUCKERS: They're doing a job, don't slam on the brakes

[ThomasKirkman]

OK $nake, lets follow that line of reasoning for a second.  What will the truckers give the cops when they cause the cop to crash into them?  Humm?  Ya.  Not a damn thing.  OK how about this.  When a trucker sees a cop is coming after him and knows he has fines.  But goes until the cops gets behind him and tags him before stopping, I think the trucker should give him an extra $10,000 for all the fines and overweights he had to pass up just to catch that one trucker.  Fair enough?  Didn't think so. 

[R16RACA]

  But goes until the cops gets behind him and tags him before stopping, I think the trucker should give him an extra $10,000 for all the fines and overweights he had to pass up just to catch that one trucker.  Fair enough?  Didn't think so.

until this makes grammatical sense to me, i wont reply to it.

[$nake]

OK $nake, lets follow that line of reasoning for a second.  What will the truckers give the cops when they cause the cop to crash into them?  Humm?  Ya.  Not a damn thing.  OK how about this.  When a trucker sees a cop is coming after him and knows he has fines.  But goes until the cops gets behind him and tags him before stopping, I think the trucker should give him an extra $10,000 for all the fines and overweights he had to pass up just to catch that one trucker.  Fair enough?  Didn't think so.

look.. im a trucker, ur a cop.. (as example)
1. u r ramming me incidentally, im falling to water, im mad (/i did it)
coz ive failed my mission, even not incidentally, but still.. and u wont refund..
uve lost nothing, ive lost my mission which should be finished and money, which ive lost..

2. i had a lag when i just crashed and nothing big happend, u r in water, u r mad,
but I DIDNT FAIL ur mission, coz watered cop will lose nothing.. is that fair ? nope!
to be fair, u should lose ur money while falling to water, but its not a problem..

[ThomasKirkman]

R16, Say you have fines.  You see me turn around and start coming after you.  You are the only truck I could be coming after.  BUT, you keep driving full throttle.  I pass 5 or more other trucks that have fines before catching up to you and issuing you your ticket.
Are you going to pay me for all the fines I missed because you screwed with my job?  Hell no you aren't.

And $nake, you finish mission, you get $8000 for 3 minutes driving.  I drive all over map for $150.  It all comes out in the end.  You will never get cops or truckers to pay the other unless there are honorable people involved.  And frankly there are only a handful that I would consider re-imbursing.

[$nake]

R16, Say you have fines.  You see me turn around and start coming after you.  You are the only truck I could be coming after.  BUT, you keep driving full throttle.  I pass 5 or more other trucks that have fines before catching up to you and issuing you your ticket.
Are you going to pay me for all the fines I missed because you screwed with my job?  Hell no you aren't.

And $nake, you finish mission, you get $8000 for 3 minutes driving.  I drive all over map for $150.  It all comes out in the end.  You will never get cops or truckers to pay the other unless there are honorable people involved.  And frankly there are only a handful that I would consider re-imbursing.

but still.. even if limo driver losts mission coz of me, i will ALWAYS refund him, if not, i will still just for ramming..
THIS is called being friendliness, nothing more, if u feel that second person (crashed one) has lost sth, refund him..
idk what person is needed to be to dont do that, idk what person is needed to be,
to be a dick who doesnt care about others problems and wont try to help..
i just cant dont help when some1 needs it..

[Partyroo]

Yeah that too. Even if it is the truckers fault, I always try my best to see everyone is as happy as possible. & Josh yes I do use my map. I always look around corners for traffic & what have you. What I am complaining about is the police causing it. Not all police are this bad, I think it's the ones that don't talk in the chat box, have no real reputation & therefore have nothing to loose by not driving sensibly.

I think along with a written test, there must be some type of driving test or something. It amazes me when people send a /pm ski "What does it mean if a player is red on the map?" I know in my old group of game mates, I think two of us did not cheat that test. Everyone cheats on the test & that is why they don't know about the rules, also I think a large portion of the test must include something that trains them about lag. Something like:

What should you do if a truck is slowing down as if they are no longer on the accelerator? (Paused trucker)

Some people have large truck mods, what can you do to counteract this so there is no accidents?

Truckers sometimes can take their eyes off the road, how can you drive to avoid any collisions if this occurs?
Because last I took the test there was nothing like this, back then even I had no idea lag was that bigger problem. Though from what I remember I've never caused an accident while on police duty. It's pure & simple common sense & that skill has gone with the tide.

[ThomasKirkman]

But those are the type of things they should have learned during the 100 missions it took to get their badge. 

Other questions for the new test. 
What should you do when you stop a trucker to weigh him and after he is done weighing he backs into your police car?
What should you do if your trying to pass a trucker and he pushs you into oncoming traffic?
What should you do when other police officers ram time and again during a pursuit just so they can be "First"?

Collisions happen.  Record it and report it.  Best solution.

ThomasKirkman

[Partyroo]

Yes but sometimes its a genuine accident, what I want to stamp out is most of those accidents, I think the bar needs to be raised. In my opinion accidents don't get punished but on purpose, yes, If you train the players better, less accidents happen. I don't want everyone going around reporting every time someone jumps a curb, I don't like raging at someone over a chat box, but if they are an idiot enough to be doing what I have seen people doing then I will. Like I said, I just would like better training provided & make the server a little but more enjoyable for everyone.

I think the bar needs to be placed at 500 truck missions + at least one of any achievement. (apart from Super Cop ofc.)