Any lame / retarded comments will be deleted, this is my topic. I decide what is allowed to be stated in it.
God, i cant believe that people like Joseph Kony are still out there, completely free, and with all the power to do horrible things that they are doing. All we can do is hope, hope that someone will put an end to it...
Joseph Kony is the leader of some sort of rebelian militia in nothern ugande and southern Sudan right.
I saw a movie related to it yesterday evening, its awfull what is happening there.
The movie is: '' Machine gun preacher''
Its just bad to know what joseph kony is doing to uganda's children
its just sad...
tbh i didnt know about this bastard until today :/
what ive noticed is that kid "jakob" and all uganda's children , they want to go school very bad to help their coutry, and its the opposite of the others ( maybe only moroccan children idk) , we dont have war or financial or politic problems and still we hate school and moaning about it. I think we should change places with uganda's children to know the value of this . and now like in the video, everything is possible and nthing can stop us to spread peace in the world . i hope they will catch him . so it can be a lesson to all other ppl like "joseph kony" .
anyway : thx Lindsey for sharing this awesome video :D
I never heard of Kony before this, and after watching this I am gob-smacked that I have never heard about him.
Shared on Facebook and Twitter, e-mailed to school "ABCh" teacher and printed out page 9 of the booklet in the action kit so I can photocopy spam it. Unfortunately I don't have any money but if I did I would donate.
Earned my signature too.
It's a horrible thing what they do to the kids, not knowing what will happen to them, I feel bad for them. Now in the part of the movie saying "America refuses to intervene" It's just like what happened to the United Nations and the Rwanda Genocide, they can't help resident relations, only country relations.
My opinion on this subject isn't the nicest of all, and I know that I'm a cruel-hearted son-of-a-bitch, but I just don't care what happens in Africa.
I feel. What happens at home feels more.
Quote from: Joshy on March 07, 2012, 00:08
I never heard of Kony before this, and after watching this I am gob-smacked that I have never heard about him.
Shared on Facebook and Twitter, e-mailed to school "ABCh" teacher and printed out page 9 of the booklet in the action kit so I can photocopy spam it. Unfortunately I don't have any money but if I did I would donate.
Earned my signature too.
<3
Don't worry about the donations, the primary goal is to get him famous, not for the good, but for the bad. Everyone should know his fame for what a barbarian this guy is.
Thanks all for being serious :)
@ Konali, he leads the LRA claiming / attempting to get Uganda to turn into a Christian country with the laws guided by the bibles commandments alone.
Quote from: Dan_Nobleman on March 07, 2012, 03:47
It's a horrible thing what they do to the kids, not knowing what will happen to them, I feel bad for them. Now in the part of the movie saying "America refuses to intervene" It's just like what happened to the United Nations and the Rwanda Genocide, they can't help resident relations, only country relations.
My opinion on this subject isn't the nicest of all, and I know that I'm a cruel-hearted son-of-a-bitch, but I just don't care what happens in Africa.
And this is the problem with the world, there are people like you in power. Who only care about one thing : More power.
Fighting this war against Kony is useless to the US because they gain no money in it, and Kony is hardly a threat to the US.
You should be ashamed of yourself, and you're proof of what some people on this world are becoming.
So...they are going to cover EVERYTHING in posters on April 20th? To be honest this is completely immature of them and I see it as vandalism / graffiti. I don't like when people invade my privacy. Sure, what he did was bad but there are other ways of going about the matter...don't have to cover the world in posters. I'll personally burn any poster I see on my property, not because I don't like the cause, but because it's an invasion of privacy.
watched this earlier, such a sad/terrible video hope KONY is found and dealt with appropriately.
Quote from: Rubber on March 07, 2012, 08:23
So...they are going to cover EVERYTHING in posters on April 20th? To be honest this is completely immature of them and I see it as vandalism / graffiti. I don't like when people invade my privacy. Sure, what he did was bad but there are other ways of going about the matter...don't have to cover the world in posters. I'll personally burn any poster I see on my property, not because I don't like the cause, but because it's an invasion of privacy.
They're hardly going to go on peoples property to do it.
I saw this last night. I don't think my country should get involved at all with Kony, which means sending troops to Uganda. Why should the US have to get involved into everything? Its the US tax payers whose paying for this shit, just to catch some junky who has a Loli Army of 30,000. We're fighting 2 wars right now which has cost more than a trillion dollars, the US needs to stop butting into stuff that doesn't affect them. Sooner or later we're going to be in another war with Iran, helping the Israeli's. Lindsey I see your concern but the US shouldn't be involved.
Why don't you get the English government to be aware of this?
This is just like Rwanda genocide. We're going to help, and once we leave the fuckers come back.
No point in doing this at all.
Isn't this what everyone wanted? America to never got involved and just be quiet? Isn't that why people elected obama?
Personally, I don't think we have a reason to put us in more debt for something you other countries can deal with. Now, if it ever ends in an attack on our grounds, fucking kill kony. lol. But for now you other countries is less debt than us can deal with it.
Helping other countries will not put America in much more debt. It's actually the "Federal" Reserve that has caused all the debt. The so called Federal Reserve is not federal at all...it was created by a bunch of wealthy individuals way back in the day. They don't have a leader because they don't want the public to know the reserve is privately run. Banks like Bank of America or 1st National Bank call the reserve when they need more money to loan out. The Reserve then tells the mints to print more money (yes, the reserve is the only organization that can authorize the printing of money...). By printing more money without actually HAVING money to back it up, it creates inflation. The inflation makes our dollar worth less. Then we pay taxes to the IRS (which was founded by the Federal Reserve guys in 1913 I believe). The taxes we pay are based on what we make job wise. Since the dollar is becoming worth less and less yet we are paying the same taxes, we are essentially paying a larger magnitude in taxes. Not to mention: the taxes are all beneficial to the IRS and Federal Reserve because it puts America in more debt and allows them to print even more money...causing more inflation and the cycle continues (the Federal Reserve is NOT really part of the government as it is comprised of individuals as described above).
I have a feeling America is falling into the same trap a little old country by the name of England fell into several hundred years ago. In 1815 "red shield" banks funded both the English and French sides of the Battle of Waterloo. When the battle was over, the red shield banks spread the word that the English lost to Napoleon (not true). They told England they were doomed so all the Englishmen sold their stocks which caused a MAJOR crash in the stockmarket. After the crash, stocks were dirt cheap. The red shield banks bought all the stocks...and essentially England itself. The English people then had to pay all their debts to the red shield banks (Nathan Rothschild was one of the founders so if you hear the term "Rothschild funds" or something, this is where it came from....). The redshield banks tried to take over America several times but Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson kept them from doing so (they did succeed for about a 20 year period but were shut down by Jackson in 1836). Alexander Hamilton was the first "Treasurer" of the Federal Reserve (...hmm I wonder why hes on the $10 bill...). The short time after 1836 was some of the best times for America financially because the paper money was backed by physical gold and silver (which is the ENTIRE meaning of paper money). Then in 1913 dumbass Woodrow Wilson signed bills enabling the Federal Reserve to print money without needing physical gold or silver to back it up. He also signed a bill which created the IRS. These bills were signed during the cover of Christmas when everyone was partying and nobody paid attention to politics (this is where all our national debt started). Keep in mind this debt is not a debt our government has caused...it is a debt that the "Federal" Reserve has caused.
Sorry about the long rant, but I hate the Federal Reserve and it should be disbanded before we end up like England did in 1815. Any and all presidents to oppose the Federal Reserve thus far have been either assassinated or attempted to be assassinated (Jackson..Kennedy....). The assassins have all been related to the Federal Reserve in one way or another. Ron Paul has a promising fight to get rid of the Federal Reserve *cough* Ron Paul 2012 *cough*.
The main point is; sending aid to other countries will not increase the debt much, if at all. It creates jobs and resources. Whether those countries want us there is another problem. I think we have enough problems on the homefront and we don't need to be helping other countries fight their battles.
Quote from: Lindsey on March 07, 2012, 07:11
Quote from: Dan_Nobleman on March 07, 2012, 03:47
It's a horrible thing what they do to the kids, not knowing what will happen to them, I feel bad for them. Now in the part of the movie saying "America refuses to intervene" It's just like what happened to the United Nations and the Rwanda Genocide, they can't help resident relations, only country relations.
My opinion on this subject isn't the nicest of all, and I know that I'm a cruel-hearted son-of-a-bitch, but I just don't care what happens in Africa.
And this is the problem with the world, there are people like you in power. Who only care about one thing : More power.
Fighting this war against Kony is useless to the US because they gain no money in it, and Kony is hardly a threat to the US.
You should be ashamed of yourself, and you're proof of what some people on this world are becoming.
I don't care for power, But most political leaders do. I can guarantee that 100% of political leaders want more power, and will usually do whatever it takes to get it, just that most people have some decency, unlike Joseph Kony, he's just like an everyday pervert, except he also wants power.
I'm glad that the US won't do anything about this, our debt is INSANE. All we do is give to other countries in their time of need, but obviously no other country has the decency to help us with our debt.
I don't feel any shame about what I think of this situation, I obviously just don't care, and that's how life is. Some People is an under-statement, more like most of the world. This isn't like the tribal days where we care about the whole community more than our family, as long as our families are safe, and life is going good for us, we couldn't give a flying fuck about anything else.
And just to point out, nothing will happen with these acts of peace, if you want something done about it, you have to bring in guns and highly trained personal to execute the individual.
The American government has and always will demonstrate that war is only a choice if they will gain from it or it is at risk of becoming a huge national security. It's not just about the US, the world governments all act as business' instead of acting in the worlds best interests. Which is a shame, and it's how people like Kony thrive.
They always will with the current state of government. But ignorant people with no care about it just add to the problem, ignorance is bliss? I think not, ignorance is bliss until it's broken.
Dan, read my post about debt. If we are using that as an excuse for not getting involved, that's pathetic (however, I don't believe we should get involved...).
Quote from: RaceRX on March 07, 2012, 19:28
Isn't this what everyone wanted? America to never got involved and just be quiet? Isn't that why people elected obama?
Personally, I don't think we have a reason to put us in more debt for something you other countries can deal with. Now, if it ever ends in an attack on our grounds, fucking kill kony. lol. But for now you other countries is less debt than us can deal with it.
meh our solution is Rick Santorum, Mitt Romney, or Newt Gingrich. We need someone that will kick that monkey out of office. hes an idiot
http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qlc3u/invisible_children_stop_kony/c3yil0i
As said in the link, you going around saying "KONY 2012" "SUPPORT IC" doesn't do anything. At all. IC wouldn't even be using the donation money to fund the Ugandan army because Kony isn't even in Uganda. IC is only using the funds for themselfs, not to help people.
Oh also, Obama is already taking care of it by deploying troops to hunt down Kony.
Quote from: badboi787 on March 07, 2012, 21:02
http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qlc3u/invisible_children_stop_kony/c3yil0i
As said in the link, you going around saying "KONY 2012" "SUPPORT IC" doesn't do anything. At all. IC wouldn't even be using to fund the Ugandan army because Kony isn't even in Uganda.
Oh also, Obama is already taking care of it by deploying troops to hunt down Kony.
obama is an idiot socialist. how about england does something about it, instead of depending on the US
Quote from: Rubber on March 07, 2012, 20:55
Dan, read my post about debt. If we are using that as an excuse for not getting involved, that's pathetic (however, I don't believe we should get involved...).
I only used it as a nice way to say that this whole cause is just a waste of time.
Quote from: badboi787 on March 07, 2012, 21:02
http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qlc3u/invisible_children_stop_kony/c3yil0i
As said in the link, you going around saying "KONY 2012" "SUPPORT IC" doesn't do anything. At all. IC wouldn't even be using the donation money to fund the Ugandan army because Kony isn't even in Uganda.
Oh also, Obama is already taking care of it by deploying troops to hunt down Kony.
You didn't watch the video "US may withdraw support for the mission at any time"
Quote from: Geckco on March 07, 2012, 21:07
Quote from: badboi787 on March 07, 2012, 21:02
http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qlc3u/invisible_children_stop_kony/c3yil0i
As said in the link, you going around saying "KONY 2012" "SUPPORT IC" doesn't do anything. At all. IC wouldn't even be using to fund the Ugandan army because Kony isn't even in Uganda.
Oh also, Obama is already taking care of it by deploying troops to hunt down Kony.
obama is an idiot socialist. how about england does something about it, instead of depending on the US
Because we don't want to get involved in more shit because of the US. Just like the war in Iraq/Afghanistan.
I'm not a heartless bastard but to be honest, I don't care, I really don't. Sure it's bad and it should be stopped but our countries are fucked already and we should take care of OUR people first, and if this was mentioned in an earlier post, TL;DR.
/me supports The KONY 2012 Action against Joseph Kony!
(http://i.imgur.com/QcGWZ.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/korPD.png)YOU ALL CAN SUPPORT TOO: https://www.facebook.com/KONY20121
They should send in the famous SEALS to hunt down konali uhm i mean Kony
Quote from: The Wolf on March 07, 2012, 23:31
I'm not a heartless bastard but to be honest, I don't care, I really don't. Sure it's bad and it should be stopped but our countries are fucked already and we should take care of OUR people first, and if this was mentioned in an earlier post, TL;DR.
I agree the United States should help its self out and try to get itself out of debt... We help everyone else out but I bet if something happens to us, none of these countries we've helped would help us back
Quote from: Konali on March 08, 2012, 00:30
They should send in the famous SEALS to hunt down konali uhm i mean Kony
We wouldn't waste time and men for such a stupid cause.
Quote from: Ian on March 08, 2012, 00:37
We help everyone else out
:lol:
Sorry, I just couldn't keep a straight face.
Quote from: sveki on March 08, 2012, 01:21
Quote from: Ian on March 08, 2012, 00:37
We help everyone else out
:lol:
Sorry, I just couldn't keep a straight face.
We do, we sent aid to Japan when their nuclear reactors blew up, we sent relief to Haiti when the earthquake hit them, and there are countless times when we aided people. So you can laugh all you want, but realize that we do in fact help people more than any other country.
Go watch it and educate about what Invisible Children actually do.
Quote from: sveki on March 08, 2012, 01:21
Quote from: Ian on March 08, 2012, 00:37
We help everyone else out
:lol:
Sorry, I just couldn't keep a straight face.
Neither LOL.
Quote from: badboi787 on March 08, 2012, 01:47
Go watch it and educate about what Invisible Children actually do.
I don't give money unless it's a registered charity, this is actually not. It's kind of running as a business.
The goal of the video i posted is simply to make people aware of Kony and spread it further, not to get people to donate.
Quote from: Dan_Nobleman on March 08, 2012, 01:42
Quote from: sveki on March 08, 2012, 01:21
Quote from: Ian on March 08, 2012, 00:37
We help everyone else out
:lol:
Sorry, I just couldn't keep a straight face.
We do, we sent aid to Japan when their nuclear reactors blew up, we sent relief to Haiti when the earthquake hit them, and there are countless times when we aided people. So you can laugh all you want, but realize that we do in fact help people more than any other country.
The things you stated are minor and negligible when compared to amount of death and destruction you have brought upon another countries.
Quote from: sveki on March 09, 2012, 08:57
Quote from: Dan_Nobleman on March 08, 2012, 01:42
Quote from: sveki on March 08, 2012, 01:21
Quote from: Ian on March 08, 2012, 00:37
We help everyone else out
:lol:
Sorry, I just couldn't keep a straight face.
We do, we sent aid to Japan when their nuclear reactors blew up, we sent relief to Haiti when the earthquake hit them, and there are countless times when we aided people. So you can laugh all you want, but realize that we do in fact help people more than any other country.
The things you stated are minor and negligible when compared to amount of death and destruction you have brought upon another countries.
First off, its other, not another.
Second, War doesn't mean shit. America is completely fine, we don't attack neighboring countries, but when somebody attacks us, they know they'll get shit coming to them.
Hate America if you want, but know that we do stuff for the world.
Quote from: Dan_Nobleman on March 09, 2012, 22:53
Quote from: sveki on March 09, 2012, 08:57
Quote from: Dan_Nobleman on March 08, 2012, 01:42
Quote from: sveki on March 08, 2012, 01:21
Quote from: Ian on March 08, 2012, 00:37
We help everyone else out
:lol:
Sorry, I just couldn't keep a straight face.
We do, we sent aid to Japan when their nuclear reactors blew up, we sent relief to Haiti when the earthquake hit them, and there are countless times when we aided people. So you can laugh all you want, but realize that we do in fact help people more than any other country.
The things you stated are minor and negligible when compared to amount of death and destruction you have brought upon another countries.
First off, its other, not another.
Second, War doesn't mean shit. America is completely fine, we don't attack neighboring countries, but when somebody attacks us, they know they'll get shit coming to them.
Hate America if you want, but know that we do stuff for the world.
I never noticed my mistake until you pointed it out for me. I know the difference between other and another, but English is not my native language, so i dont give a fuck. Anyway, thats not whats important.
I suppose North Vietnam attacked you, so you went there and killed millions? Am i right?
Quote from: sveki on March 10, 2012, 10:22
Quote from: Dan_Nobleman on March 09, 2012, 22:53
Quote from: sveki on March 09, 2012, 08:57
Quote from: Dan_Nobleman on March 08, 2012, 01:42
Quote from: sveki on March 08, 2012, 01:21
Quote from: Ian on March 08, 2012, 00:37
We help everyone else out
:lol:
Sorry, I just couldn't keep a straight face.
We do, we sent aid to Japan when their nuclear reactors blew up, we sent relief to Haiti when the earthquake hit them, and there are countless times when we aided people. So you can laugh all you want, but realize that we do in fact help people more than any other country.
The things you stated are minor and negligible when compared to amount of death and destruction you have brought upon another countries.
First off, its other, not another.
Second, War doesn't mean shit. America is completely fine, we don't attack neighboring countries, but when somebody attacks us, they know they'll get shit coming to them.
Hate America if you want, but know that we do stuff for the world.
I never noticed my mistake until you pointed it out for me. I know the difference between other and another, but English is not my native language, so i dont give a fuck. Anyway, thats not whats important.
I suppose North Vietnam attacked you, so you went there and killed millions? Am i right?
People fuck with us, We fuck them over twice as hard lol
Quote from: sveki on March 10, 2012, 10:22
Quote from: Dan_Nobleman on March 09, 2012, 22:53
Quote from: sveki on March 09, 2012, 08:57
Quote from: Dan_Nobleman on March 08, 2012, 01:42
Quote from: sveki on March 08, 2012, 01:21
Quote from: Ian on March 08, 2012, 00:37
We help everyone else out
:lol:
Sorry, I just couldn't keep a straight face.
We do, we sent aid to Japan when their nuclear reactors blew up, we sent relief to Haiti when the earthquake hit them, and there are countless times when we aided people. So you can laugh all you want, but realize that we do in fact help people more than any other country.
The things you stated are minor and negligible when compared to amount of death and destruction you have brought upon another countries.
First off, its other, not another.
Second, War doesn't mean shit. America is completely fine, we don't attack neighboring countries, but when somebody attacks us, they know they'll get shit coming to them.
Hate America if you want, but know that we do stuff for the world.
I never noticed my mistake until you pointed it out for me. I know the difference between other and another, but English is not my native language, so i dont give a fuck. Anyway, thats not whats important.
I suppose North Vietnam attacked you, so you went there and killed millions? Am i right?
Just saying guys, remember when you are hating on the U.S. that if it weren't for us, you may all be under Aryan Dictation and be speaking German right now.
QuoteJust saying guys, remember when you are hating on the U.S. that if it weren't for us, you may all be under Aryan Dictation and be speaking German right now.
fucking true as hell.
Sorry nate but that's false, america couldn't take on Germany and Japan by themselves, they would of been slaughtered even more.
The US contributed to win WWII together with other Countries, nations, colonies, individuals. In other words. Everyone that participated with the Allies; won WWII. The winning of WWII is not credited to one nation.
Quote from: The Wolf on March 14, 2012, 00:18
Sorry nate but that's false, america couldn't take on Germany and Japan by themselves, they would of been slaughtered even more.
The US contributed to win WWII together with other Countries, nations, colonies, individuals. In other words. Everyone that participated with the Allies; won WWII. The winning of WWII is not credited to one nation.
^^
Well you see, by my original statement i meant that WITHOUT the United States stepping into world war 2 the world most likely would have been taken over by Nazi Germany. Since at the time of Pearl Harbor and the U.S. entering the war Germany was fighting a war on two fronts: with England and the Soviet Union. Lets start with the western front.
The battle of Britain was no doubt going to be won by the Nazi's if the time ever came for operation Sealion (the large-scale invasion of England). I say this because Germany held nearly EVERY advantage over England. They had a new development called the me-109 and the me-262 which were the world's first Jetfighters. They could out fly any other aircraft the allies had by over 200+ miles per hour (about 350kph for those of you not in the U.S.). They also had better tanks then the British. The panzer mark III and panzer IV and not to mention the King tiger tank. The last but definitely not least is the battle of the atlantic. The wolf packs of U-boats were starving England of supplies and food and sooner or later could have brought here to her knee's on this alone.
Moving to the eastern front (soviet union). In the eastern front the only reason the momemtum shifted from the Axis' favor to the Allies is because Germany had supplies still tied up in france. If Japan did not attack the U.S. at Pearl Harbor the U.S. would not have entered the war (yet). This means that Germany would have held off Operation Barbarossa (invasion of Soviet Union) because hitler and his Generals well knew that they could not fight a 2 front war. They would have held of Operation Barbarossa until they finally starved England enough and went in for the kill.
So therefore England would fall, as well as russia because remember at this time Japan would be dedicating all of their military resources to Invading Russia as well. This means russia would fall, and Japan would be linked with Germany. After that it's simple. The German Wolf Packs (submarine fleets) go to the aid of Japan attacking the United States and using the Divide-and-conquer and island hopping tactic. The German U-boats would aid in sinking the American Fleet and most importantly the American Aircraft carriers.
So there you go. A completely reasonable circumstance of how the Axis powers could take over the world. I guess you could essentially blame Japan for the Axis powers losing, although i'm pretty happy that they lost. I'm sorry wolf but couldn't let False information roam wild n' free. :3
Quote from: Nate on March 14, 2012, 00:24
Quote from: The Wolf on March 14, 2012, 00:18
Sorry nate but that's false, america couldn't take on Germany and Japan by themselves, they would of been slaughtered even more.
The US contributed to win WWII together with other Countries, nations, colonies, individuals. In other words. Everyone that participated with the Allies; won WWII. The winning of WWII is not credited to one nation.
^^
sry if this topic is going off topic and im pretty sure it is .
if america didnt use the nuclear bomb on japan .. America won't be America these days !
japan was destroying it ..
and there isnt a probleme or war in the world ,america didnt interfere in it.
Quote from: $hadow on March 14, 2012, 11:39
sry if this topic is going off topic and im pretty sure it is .
if america didnt use the nuclear bomb on japan .. America won't be America these days !
japan was destroying it ..
and there isnt a probleme or war in the world ,america didnt interfere in it.
First off, Japan performed a hypocritical attack on the US, Pearl Harbor was a pussy move, aimed to mainly piss us off. Japan couldn't defeat us if we had a war pact. Our military obliterated their forces, and we showed them up by bombing them with ATOMIC bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. America will forever be America, land of the free, home of the brave, and I will stand by my country until the day I die.
Quote from: Nate on March 14, 2012, 00:24
Quote from: The Wolf on March 14, 2012, 00:18
Sorry nate but that's false, america couldn't take on Germany and Japan by themselves, they would of been slaughtered even more.
The US contributed to win WWII together with other Countries, nations, colonies, individuals. In other words. Everyone that participated with the Allies; won WWII. The winning of WWII is not credited to one nation.
^^
Well you see, by my original statement i meant that WITHOUT the United States stepping into world war 2 the world most likely would have been taken over by Nazi Germany. Since at the time of Pearl Harbor and the U.S. entering the war Germany was fighting a war on two fronts: with England and the Soviet Union. Lets start with the western front.
The battle of Britain was no doubt going to be won by the Nazi's if the time ever came for operation Sealion (the large-scale invasion of England). I say this because Germany held nearly EVERY advantage over England. They had a new development called the me-109 and the me-262 which were the world's first Jetfighters. They could out fly any other aircraft the allies had by over 200+ miles per hour (about 350kph for those of you not in the U.S.). They also had better tanks then the British. The panzer mark III and panzer IV and not to mention the King tiger tank. The last but definitely not least is the battle of the atlantic. The wolf packs of U-boats were starving England of supplies and food and sooner or later could have brought here to her knee's on this alone.
Moving to the eastern front (soviet union). In the eastern front the only reason the momemtum shifted from the Axis' favor to the Allies is because Germany had supplies still tied up in france. If Japan did not attack the U.S. at Pearl Harbor the U.S. would not have entered the war (yet). This means that Germany would have held off Operation Barbarossa (invasion of Soviet Union) because hitler and his Generals well knew that they could not fight a 2 front war. They would have held of Operation Barbarossa until they finally starved England enough and went in for the kill.
So therefore England would fall, as well as russia because remember at this time Japan would be dedicating all of their military resources to Invading Russia as well. This means russia would fall, and Japan would be linked with Germany. After that it's simple. The German Wolf Packs (submarine fleets) go to the aid of Japan attacking the United States and using the Divide-and-conquer and island hopping tactic. The German U-boats would aid in sinking the American Fleet and most importantly the American Aircraft carriers.
So there you go. A completely reasonable circumstance of how the Axis powers could take over the world. I guess you could essentially blame Japan for the Axis powers losing, although i'm pretty happy that they lost. I'm sorry wolf but couldn't let False information roam wild n' free. :3
Well Nate, i dont think you are right. Lets start off.
You are right about the inevitable British defeat if it ever came to operation Sealion. But the thing is, Sealion was not very likely to happen. Why? Because if Germans wanted a massive land invasion, they would need to neutralize the British Royal Navy (which was the strongest in the world at the time, and Hitler knew it was impossible to destroy it completely). But, before they could even try neutralizing the Royal Navy, they had to destroy RAF (Royal Air Force) first. And everything seemed to be in their advantage. More aircraft, superbly trained crew... But, they also had disadvantages, which were bigger than the advantages. The biggest German disadvantage was low effective tactical radius of their fighters (the Messerschmitt BF-109 you mentioned earlier, piston engine powered aircraft, and Messerschmitt BF-110) that were supposed to escort German bombers and protect them on the raids into British territory. German fighters had fuel sufficient for about 10-20 minutes of flight, before they needed to retreat to France and Belgium, often leaving the bombers unprotected, thus making them easy targets for the Spitfires and Hurricanes. One of the Britain's biggest advanatges was probably their advanced radar system, which allowed them to be aware of the incoming German attacks.
When everything is summed up, we come to the conclusion that Luftwaffe wasn't able to defeat RAF, at least not under circumstances at that time (North African Campaign)
Moving on to the Eastern front.
As you probably know, Soviet Union and Japan have a history of small border conflicts that took place between 1932 and 1939. The biggest of those conflicts was the Battle of Khalkhin Gol, that took place in 1939 and resulted in Soviet victory. The direct result of that battle was the Soviet - Japanese neutrality pact, signed in 1941. Japan considered breaking the pact when Germany attacked Soviet Union, but decided not to, largely under the influence of its defeat in the Battle of Khalkhin Gol.
There are a number of reasons for German defeat on the Eastern front. The biggest one would probably be the fact that Germany didnt have a good strategic bomber. They needed a strategic bomber, because Soviets relocated their complete industry to Siberia, where it could operate completely undisturbed. With majority of the factories moved east, and over 10 million people working in them, Soviets had almost unlimited supply of war materiel. Worth stating is that Soviet Union had huge reserves of fuel, and also, most of the Soviet refineries were out of the German range as well.
The German Blitzkrieg first broke just outside of Moscow, in the winter of 1941. That allowed Soviets to push Germans over 300km back. The second big German defeat happened at Stalingrad, in the end of 1942. From that point, Soviets started pushing Germans to the west, and the push lasted until the end of the war.
So, what i am saying is, that WWII would be much bloodier, and would last longer if the USA didnt intervene. But at the end, Allies would still prevail.
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Quote from: Jedi_Italian on March 14, 2012, 22:00
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At the end of the story we discovered it was a big bullshit! Fucking americans! :ohgod: