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Server related => Suggestions => Locked & Closed Suggestions => Topic started by: Joshy on March 28, 2012, 22:43

Title: Non-fluent English speakers and the rules
Post by: Joshy on March 28, 2012, 22:43
I believe that many players cannot understand the rules (therefore general gamemode too) of CT because they can't read English good enough to understand them. I did some research using the server demographics (of 19/08/11) and Wikipedia statistics of English-speaking populations. I used the 18 most popular countries.

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Romania
Poland
United States
Germany
United Kingdom
Netherlands
Lithuania
Russia
Croatia
Turkey
Hungary
Bulgaria
Czech
Estonia
Canada
France
Spain
Australia
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With these countries, I calculated that only 48.8% of the players from all of these countries combined can speak English. Of course since the gamemode is in English, it will attract more English-speaking players than non-English speakers, but still, this does show something.

My suggestion is translating the server and forum rules into the most popular languages, like Romanian, Polish, German, Dutch, Russian (if possible), Croatian and so on. Make a new selection box upon registration (in-game) asking them what language they speak so they will get the right set of rules. Save this value in case of /showrules and /rules, it could be used for statistical purposes too. More players will know the rules, so hopefully less rules being broken.

Of course we will need your help to translate if this does get passed.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-speaking_population

(note: don't translate yet in case this gets rejected)
(also I have a feeling that a wave of "I can't help that my English is poor" posts is coming)
Title: Re: Non-fluent English speakers and the rules
Post by: Sjomp on March 28, 2012, 22:48
nice suggestion +1
but i think this will make more non-englisch in mainchat so maybe if you selected a language you got automatic sended to that cb channel. :D
Title: Re: Non-fluent English speakers and the rules
Post by: Supra on March 28, 2012, 22:49
It would be good for those who don't speak English, but in my opinion, people have to be able to write and understand English in order to play properly on this server..
And if this would happen, wouldn't some get confused and by mistake believe they are allowed to speak using their native language in the main chat?
Title: Re: Non-fluent English speakers and the rules
Post by: Joshy on March 28, 2012, 22:51
Quote from: Supra on March 28, 2012, 22:49
It would be good for those who don't speak English, but in my opinion, people have to be able to write and understand English in order to play properly on this server..
And if this would happen, wouldn't some get confused and by mistake believe they are allowed to speak using their native language in the main chat?
Well the rules would say "rule 5) speak English in CB 19 or go to /cb" in their language, perhaps includes their languages CB number in the rules for reference.
Title: Re: Non-fluent English speakers and the rules
Post by: Matheus on March 28, 2012, 22:56
People from my country (Brazil) doesn't have a good english...Can you please add it to your idea? Its going to be better even for me, because my english isn't that good too..

Thanks!
Title: Re: Non-fluent English speakers and the rules
Post by: Matias on March 28, 2012, 23:11
You know what would be good, that when anyone join for first time the server, it ask him which language he talk. When the language is choosed all texts from server are wrote in his language, but its alot of work for mick.
If just the rules are setted to they language it will work i guess so +1, its a good suggestion :)

Also mick there is an include around SA-MP forums to traslate gamemode texts, just to let you know, maybe you can use it, i dont remember the name of it :(
Title: Re: Non-fluent English speakers and the rules
Post by: Deff on March 28, 2012, 23:37
+1
More players = More fun!
Title: Re: Non-fluent English speakers and the rules
Post by: Jopi on March 28, 2012, 23:40
If you write rules on Croatian..Bosnian,Serbian,Slovenian,Macedonian too can use it :)  Because we have almost the same languge :D
Title: Re: Non-fluent English speakers and the rules
Post by: Random_Hero on March 29, 2012, 00:16
I like this idea a lot, +1 from me.

I also like what DarkMati mentioned. It would be a great idea to have an in-game translation system, but it definitely would be difficult to make and would probably cause some sort of lag. Maybe a way to resolute this situation would be to make a translation system, but have it as a mod that can be downloaded from the site? Not sure what type of mod it would be.. maybe a CLEO, but it would be a good idea if easy enough and possible.

+1 from me, good suggestion Joshy.
Title: Re: Non-fluent English speakers and the rules
Post by: Neon$lash on March 29, 2012, 00:26
that would be a nice idea. i tought about that. i support this. event tho i know a lot of english would help a lot of non english speakers. +1
Title: Re: Non-fluent English speakers and the rules
Post by: $nake on March 29, 2012, 09:14
Big +1, but I will still use ENGLISH CT Version :)

Something from my FB:
(http://i.imgur.com/AZT9h.png)
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Title: Re: Non-fluent English speakers and the rules
Post by: Deff on March 29, 2012, 16:29
Quote from: $nake on March 29, 2012, 09:14
Big +1, but I will still use ENGLISH CT Version :)

There won't be a different version.
Only the set of rules would be different.
Title: Re: Non-fluent English speakers and the rules
Post by: mr.hilly on March 31, 2012, 12:48
Quote from: Deff on March 28, 2012, 23:37
More players = More fun!
correct More players more fun thats AND More LAAAAGS so +1 but to i didnt lag i will walk  :trollface:
Title: Re: Non-fluent English speakers and the rules
Post by: Lindsey on March 31, 2012, 14:19
I like this idea.
Title: Re: Non-fluent English speakers and the rules
Post by: Blackhawk on August 26, 2012, 12:47
+1
And I can help in Hungarian.
Title: Re: Non-fluent English speakers and the rules
Post by: Benny on August 26, 2012, 13:05
1
Title: Re: Non-fluent English speakers and the rules
Post by: SeraMondialu on August 26, 2012, 13:07
+1 . There are a lot of noobs that doesn't give a fuck about english class .

I will translate the rules for RO if .
Title: Re: Non-fluent English speakers and the rules
Post by: F4LL on August 26, 2012, 13:16
+1 This will increase the number of players on server.
Title: Re: Non-fluent English speakers and the rules
Post by: Bruno_2MLG4CT on August 26, 2012, 13:31
Very smart idea, if mick accept it, it would be good change for the server :P
CB 6 is set as a croatian channel but there are Macedonians,Serbians, Bosnians etc because we have similar language, also there are a lot of players who are good in english who can help for translating.
I can help too :)
Big +1
Title: Re: Non-fluent English speakers and the rules
Post by: zimon on August 26, 2012, 13:45
I can translate to swedish :)
Title: Re: Non-fluent English speakers and the rules
Post by: Magri on August 26, 2012, 14:08
You choice 18 country most used in CVT, but I see everyday (afternoon) 3/4/5 italians people online together... Italy is not representative?
Title: Re: Non-fluent English speakers and the rules
Post by: $nake on August 26, 2012, 14:32
Quote from: Seraphim on August 26, 2012, 13:07
.. There are a lot of noobs that doesn't give a fuck about english class .
un-for-tu-na-te-ly.. idiot teachers are letting them go trough school years without knowing english at least at communicative level..
standard polish guy who has tons of friends and is coolest in school would say: i no english asking understant yu no saying, kurwa go mać
Title: Re: Non-fluent English speakers and the rules
Post by: F4LL on August 26, 2012, 14:37
Quote from: Magri on August 26, 2012, 14:08
You choice 18 country most used in CVT, but I see everyday (afternoon) 3/4/5 italians people online together... Italy is not representative?

3-4-5 :lol:   He listed the most popular countries. Italy is a nice country but like u said u see 3-5 players, but the USA/Romania/Poland have hundreds of players.
Title: Re: Non-fluent English speakers and the rules
Post by: Goldy. on August 26, 2012, 16:29
:not_bad:  +1    :OK:
Title: Re: Non-fluent English speakers and the rules
Post by: George on August 26, 2012, 18:57
Nice idea but you should be careful who you choose to translate or the rules will get another meaning. :cereal: :OK:
Title: Re: Non-fluent English speakers and the rules
Post by: Moonwalker on August 26, 2012, 22:38
Joshy, very nice idea ... +1
also, I can help with translation on Croatian language.
Title: Re: Non-fluent English speakers and the rules
Post by: Cristinelu on August 27, 2012, 01:15
Quote from: Seraphim on August 26, 2012, 13:07
+1 . There are a lot of noobs that doesn't give a fuck about english class .

I will translate the rules for RO if .
"noobs that doesn't give a fuck"
"I will translate the rules for RO if ."
Dude...
I can translate them if you want me to.
Title: Re: Non-fluent English speakers and the rules
Post by: FaZe1337Sajmon420PL on August 27, 2012, 09:22
Rules? Who read rules? Everyone is just looking for "accepct" button. Sad but true. Im sure there still will be players from other countries asking in main chat for example: "hi are there any polish players?" still in polish even after he got polish rules shown which he didnt even read. How about a script that automatically moves u to the cb channel from ur country? (I have no idea how to program it but im sure mick does :D)
Title: Re: Non-fluent English speakers and the rules
Post by: Moonwalker on August 27, 2012, 10:57
Quote from: SzajmoN on August 27, 2012, 09:22
Rules? Who read rules? Everyone is just looking for "accepct" button. Sad but true. Im sure there still will be players from other countries asking in main chat for example: "hi are there any polish players?" still in polish even after he got polish rules shown which he didnt even read. How about a script that automatically moves u to the cb channel from ur country? (I have no idea how to program it but im sure mick does :D)

I read rules.
And this thing that script automatically move you to cb channel from your country is also very good. +1
You must be in your cb channel, but u can write in main chat with a " * " how it is now...but u can't go to main channel (/cb 19)
Title: Re: Non-fluent English speakers and the rules
Post by: Blackhawk on August 27, 2012, 11:00
Quote from: SzajmoN on August 27, 2012, 09:22
Rules? Who read rules? Everyone is just looking for "accepct" button. Sad but true.

True...
I think "Accept button" should be not available for 1 minute and there would be a countdown clock. :)
Title: Re: Non-fluent English speakers and the rules
Post by: The_Spinner on August 29, 2012, 09:46
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Title: Re: Non-fluent English speakers and the rules
Post by: Cineks on August 30, 2012, 01:45
Quote from: $nake on August 26, 2012, 14:32
standard polish guy who has tons of friends and is coolest in school would say: i no english asking understant yu no saying, kurwa go mać

It's more like "A ja to pierdole, na chuj mi angielski w życiu." and then we can see "me banned, kurwa, why?".
Title: Re: Non-fluent English speakers and the rules
Post by: Joshly98 on August 30, 2012, 02:03
It's an awesome idea, but it would just take a long time to translate everything, but that's the only negative, so:

+1