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Server related => General Talk => Topic started by: TheFluttershyPony on January 22, 2013, 15:21

Title: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: TheFluttershyPony on January 22, 2013, 15:21

Supported by one member of the staff team, I decided to start a topic with our public complaint about new server location.

Server's displacement did not change a thing in how it works and if I were to make a fair judgement, I would say that its stability is 10x worse than the previous one's. Moving the server to Arizona made playing an unpleasant experience for those living in the Europe. The game is laggy and our pings have raised significantly (mine - from average 64 to average 212). However, it would be bareable if the server was more or less stable and working - it is not. It crashes all the time, the lags for all players are huge - let me refer to yesterday when both me and Mr.Benny tried to organize a carshow and both of our events were interupted by an enormous lag and a crash. The day before, in an one hour time of me being (or trying to be) in game, the server crashed four times (basically each time I managed to start a mission and the server crashed, and again, and again).

Thus, I would like to make a public request for Mick to think about some improvements.
Mick, with all respect to you and what you have done (which, btw, I regard as an enormous achievement and a fantastic thing in general), if the situation with the server continues, we might expect many farewells from the community since we cannot (and I am not exaggerating here) play anymore.

At the same time I would like anyone thinking the same as me to leave his/her voice in a post below. Let Mick know that we care about the server and something has to be done.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Keolis on January 22, 2013, 15:37
Agree plz get a better host
playing on the server is not fun anymore every time laggy players ram me on my screen on there screen the drive far before me
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: $nake on January 22, 2013, 15:40
/me supports this post and topic :)

anyway mick cares about that this AZ server has DDoS protection, and till it doesn't lag like hell - it's playable in his opinion..
let's add these 508's from forum too.. but imo mick should tell volt to move us to one of EU servers, even German or something..
otherwise we will have to wait till march when the contract between mick and volt ends.. long laggy days with this volt hooostt..
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: DJ_Smashon on January 22, 2013, 15:49
If europe get's DDOS protection I bet he will move it back but so faaar idk...
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Matias on January 22, 2013, 16:06
I know this week it been lagging even for me and i use to have low ping on this new location, its becoming laggy for American players also, it seems to be a problem with Volt itself, its not the location. So far it never been attacked by ddos attacks like it did before (5 - 7 days offline). I am neutral at this. If it moves to europe it will be offline everytime like it did before, if we stick to america it will be crashing sometimes itself due to lag.
So far this host doesnt have packetloss like FR and UK used to have.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Supreme on January 22, 2013, 16:36
Ping is not a problem, crashes are.  >:(
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: SpazzBucket. on January 22, 2013, 16:37
I'm the same as matias, I am happy that I am one of the players with the lowest ping of everyone, but as long as I don't get ping kicked or desynced i couldn't care less where the server is, as long as it has DDoS protection.  What I really hate is the players that now have 200+ ping are complaining, I played with an average of 190 when the server was in Europe and UK, I never complained once, 212 ping? That's nothing, the only reason that I really care about having a low ping is that I can have every program running that uses Internet and not have over 300 ping
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: TheSandman on January 22, 2013, 17:11
The only thing thats annoying is the huge desync/lag you get every 5 minutes or so, which lasts 2-5 seconds. Pings may be higher for Europeans, but the server is way more stable and has vitually no packetloss unlike UK.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Supra on January 22, 2013, 17:23
I loved the new server at the beginning, it was smooth and nice.. but now lately, it has been terrible.. It isnt down, and it doesnt crash a lot, but it has this really annoying lag/delay for everything..

Everything goes so damn slow.. When you type a command, it doesnt come up before 1-2 seconds later, and if you look at the odometer, it is way behind, at least for me.

Its not a really fun gaming experience as it is now..
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Bruno_2MLG4CT on January 22, 2013, 17:53
Its better to play with little lag than waiting a hours/days for server to come back. It would be better for me in Europe, i am in Europe, but if it is less crashing, then why not.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: DJ_Smashon on January 22, 2013, 19:32
I never had any packetloss while server as in UK and not when it was in France either.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Ibanez on January 22, 2013, 19:46
New to the server, and I must say, I love it here, but desync and timeouts are a big problem for me. I seem to be desyncing and timing out frequently. I had to reconnect roughly 5 times today. This is very frustrating. My average ping is in the high 200+ range. I currently reside in Cyprus, so I'm in Europe. On other American servers I play on, I don't experience these timeouts at all. I also believe it would be best to relocate the server to Central Europe. I don't know where it was located before, as I only joined on Sunday, but from what I've read, the server used to be located in Europe.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: RaceRX on January 22, 2013, 19:48
You're worried about a 0.2 second lag? its a better central for Australians, now everyonehas 200 ping. You selfish fucking Europeans
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Theo_Lsm[FR] on January 22, 2013, 19:53
Server must move to France, only 500km from me  :o
It's in central Europe, most of CT's players live in Europe, so why not get better ping.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: RaceRX on January 22, 2013, 20:02
Quote from: Theotheboss on January 22, 2013, 19:53
Server must move to France, only 500km from me  :o
It's in central Europe, most of CT's players live in Europe, so why not get better ping.
because what about the Australians? Think about everyone not just yourself!
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Keolis on January 22, 2013, 20:24
Quote from: Noah Blake on January 22, 2013, 20:02
Quote from: Theotheboss on January 22, 2013, 19:53
Server must move to France, only 500km from me  :o
It's in central Europe, most of CT's players live in Europe, so why not get better ping.
because what about the Australians? Think about everyone not just yourself!
He thinks about 90% of the players and that are guys from europe;)
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Twido on January 22, 2013, 20:24
Quote from: Noah Blake on January 22, 2013, 20:02
Quote from: Theotheboss on January 22, 2013, 19:53
Server must move to France, only 500km from me  :o
It's in central Europe, most of CT's players live in Europe, so why not get better ping.
because what about the Australians? Think about everyone not just yourself!
this guy said it right. The host should be somewhere else than france, uk or whatever u guys think of. $nake should host it  :o :o
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Kat on January 22, 2013, 20:36
fuckthat ... move the server host in the mid of atlantic and everyone will be happy xD
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: FaZe1337Sajmon420PL on January 22, 2013, 20:40
it was good in begin but now clearly sth happened, hope volt will fix it.

and still: this server got ddos protection. dont forget that.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: R16RACA on January 22, 2013, 20:41
 :ukiddn: :seriously_guy: :fuckthat:  If we move back everyone who isnt European is going to experience the same problem as last time, and the server in general will experience the same problems. We moved and if you cant handle a ping over 200 and a couple of seconds of desync/lag then you can **** off. As i have said before myself, sand, kenworth all used to deal with 400 ping without much complaint so why cant you? /endrant
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Matias on January 22, 2013, 20:53
Theres only one thing i cant understand, you complaining about the ping.
Now ping is equal to everyone, if it moves to europe it will benefits europeans and americans will complain about the ping (which never did before) if it moves to america then europeans complains about ping... fuck it move it to ocean!  :P
:biggrin:

You guys gotta remember there isnt a perfect host, it will only benefit who is close to it, its sad but Volt is not the best host.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: RaceRX on January 22, 2013, 20:56
Quote from: xcaptainjack on January 22, 2013, 20:24
Quote from: Noah Blake on January 22, 2013, 20:02
Quote from: Theotheboss on January 22, 2013, 19:53
Server must move to France, only 500km from me  :o
It's in central Europe, most of CT's players live in Europe, so why not get better ping.
because what about the Australians? Think about everyone not just yourself!
He thinks about 90% of the players and that are guys from europe;)
you guys are connecting right? Then you're fuckin fine. The Aussies used to all get ping kicked  now everyone has about 200 ping do its completely fair.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: bazingashane0 on January 22, 2013, 21:08
My opinion to this topic is refer to here http://www.forum.convoytrucking.net/index.php/topic,33353.msg182241.html#msg182241 (http://www.forum.convoytrucking.net/index.php/topic,33353.msg182241.html#msg182241)
Now before anyone get's upset it isn't a direct attack against European players it's my opinion on the matter.
If your going to get upset about laggyness first of all find out whether it's:
a) Your computer or laptop.
b) Your internal home network such as faulty network cables or modems or routers or switches, also using a weak wireless signal can affect you.
c) Your actual internet connection at home or friends place or work place or educational insitution (the connection you are using at the time of lag).
d) Any mods that you have installed. Also don't forget if you have a mod that cause opcodes that you ignore then you really shouldn't be using it at all. (http://www.forum.convoytrucking.net/index.php/topic,11.0.html (http://www.forum.convoytrucking.net/index.php/topic,11.0.html) - Rule 7 as 99% of the time bad mods will affect other users badly).
e) Try finding a server in the same location as CVT to purely test if you still lag and test it at the same time of day.
f) You may actually find your joining the server at a time where the internet in your area might get congested (normally about 4pm~8pm weeknights)
g) See if others are actually getting any packetloss by asking a moderator or administrator when on the server as they can find out.
h) Finally find out if Volt-Host is having any network problems at the time.
i) When the server has over 80 players and your in a convoy with over 5 players or so close together it will lag a little.
j) Finally be grateful that mick has got the server back up and running with a 500% better uptime and network status then UK and France used to offer.
This above list is aimed at all players from USA, Australia, Europe, Antartica, North Pole, Africa, South America, whereever.
If you find that you are lagging then address all of those issues and come back and find out if one of those is the limiting factor.
h)
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Matias on January 22, 2013, 21:09
Lets not start another America vs Europe fight.

There was a topic about this before: http://www.forum.convoytrucking.net/index.php/topic,33366.0.html (http://www.forum.convoytrucking.net/index.php/topic,33366.0.html)
http://www.forum.convoytrucking.net/index.php/topic,33353.0.html (http://www.forum.convoytrucking.net/index.php/topic,33353.0.html)

Stick to the subject of the topic that is the lag that is being experienced at both sides of world. So far it seems to be a problem at Volt, since it used to run smooth for both sides of world but now its lagging for both.
Share your experience and tell how it affects you.

Do not insult or disrespect anyone.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: TheFluttershyPony on January 22, 2013, 21:12
Guys, you're missing the point. It is not a complaint about the ping, maybe I missexpressed myself.

It's about damn kicks and time outs and the fact that we cannot play because 50% of our missions are now lost due to some server issues every day.

I am not a 'computerish' person and I lack knowledge about servers and stuff like that, but it appears to me that Volthost... simply sucks.

For me it can stay in US or Syberia, as long as I can play. I can bear minor lags because of 200 ping (which, as you rightly pointed out, is not a thing to complain about) but I don't want to get in just to be forced to get out after 30 secs. As I said, on 20.01.13 in one hour time it happened 4 or 5 times. This is insane, don't you think?
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Dobby on January 22, 2013, 21:13
Am I the only european that doesn't complain? I replied earlier, but it failed. It basically said that- as long as the servers working, be glad. As shane said, if you're in a convoy, you will lag slightly, and if you're worried that when you lag you'll crash, slow down and stop until the lags passed. If someone crashed into you, ask them (calmly) if it was deliberate. Ask /admins re the packetloss. Just be glad the server actually comes back on after the crashes, last time it was off 10+days was it not?
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: TheFluttershyPony on January 22, 2013, 21:15
Quote from: DanielDawson on January 22, 2013, 21:13
Am I the only european that doesn't complain? I replied earlier, but it failed. It basically said that- as long as the servers working, be glad. As shane said, if you're in a convoy, you will lag slightly, and if you're worried that when you lag you'll crash, slow down and stop until the lags passed. If someone crashed into you, ask them (calmly) if it was deliberate. Ask /admins re the packetloss. Just be glad the server actually comes back on after the crashes, last time it was off 10+days was it not?

But it is not 100% working! Why other servers have greater amount of slots and they do not face similar problems?

Again, I am not pointing at minor lags, but huge ones that for example every player experiences, reports and complains about in chat. It is a lag for both US players and non-US ones, so it is not about location. Am I right?
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Matias on January 22, 2013, 21:16
Quote from: TheFluttershyPony on January 22, 2013, 21:12
Guys, you're missing the point. It is not a complaint about the ping, maybe I missexpressed myself.

It's about damn kicks and time outs and the fact that we cannot play because 50% of our missions are now lost due to some server issues every day.

I am not a 'computerish' person and I lack knowledge about servers and stuff like that, but it appears to me that Volthost... simply sucks.

For me it can stay in US or Syberia, as long as I can play. I can bear minor lags because of 200 ping (which, as you rightly pointed out, is not a thing to complain about) but I don't want to get in just to be forced to get out after 30 secs. As I said, on 20.01.13 in one hour time it happened 4 or 5 times. This is insane, don't you think?

You dont need to be computer tech or anything, we know server been crashing too much this week, it's a problem with volt. And we know thats bad, thanks for sharing your experience and tell us how you feel playing on CT. Mick will look at this when he gets able.
This week volt been so unstable even for american players.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: mamorunl on January 22, 2013, 21:43
Quote from: Noah Blake on January 22, 2013, 20:02
Quote from: Theotheboss on January 22, 2013, 19:53
Server must move to France, only 500km from me  :o
It's in central Europe, most of CT's players live in Europe, so why not get better ping.
because what about the Australians? Think about everyone not just yourself!

So what you doing right now? :-) I love how people say 'stop thinking about yourself' when they just want it all xD

@ topic: Location is fine, the sudden lag spikes or server outages are NOT. Suddenly everyone desyncs, I can't even see the tags on the players head when they drive past. If they can fix that, all is fine.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: mick88 on January 22, 2013, 21:57
If the server is being laggy, it probably means it's being attacked. Do you prefer laggy server or server down?

All server crashes are logged and in the last days there were only up to 3 crashes a day. Is that what you're complaining about? I will tell you 3 crashes in 24 hours is nothing. Just because you happened to have your carshow at the time, doesn't mean that I will move everything to a new untested host.
Sometimes what you think is a server crash, is just a connection timeout. It can happen anywhere between you and the server. Go to the server info on the website to see the uptime.

Ping by itself means very little. Check your packetloss.

To give my persnal opinion about the new hosting location, I think it's very good. My packetloss is much lower than before and despite high ping, it's very responsive for me.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: TheFluttershyPony on January 22, 2013, 22:08
Quote from: mick88 on January 22, 2013, 21:57
All server crashes are logged and in the last days there were only up to 3 crashes a day. Is that what you're complaining about? I will tell you 3 crashes in 24 hours is nothing. Just because you happened to have your carshow at the time, doesn't mean that I will move everything to a new untested host.

Come on, you know it's not about the car show. That was just an example.

Don't get me wrong but you look at this from a different perspective, you just check logs and for you everything is cool because generally speaking, the server more or less works. However, for us this lack of server's stability became new reality in which you have to decide whether start a new mission or just sit and do nothing, because either way there will be a general lag or the server will crash.

As I mentioned, I am a real newbie as far as servers and hosts are concerned, but is Volthost the only solution?

PS: I don't want to make this personal, but to me CVT is stagnating due to resistance to any improvements. It crashes? Well, deal with it. It lags? Who cares.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Chucky on January 22, 2013, 22:35
I think it is not about the crashows , server crashes or what ever,

If you want to see what is wrong with the situation now, you should do a few work missions with Artic / Fuel / Dumper / Coach or what ever.

You will see (and i think almost everybody agrees with me) that a lot of people are crashing in to each other , trucks are going different ways on someone else he's screen , big crashes (not the server) and more.

And i know you cant change the host in 1 2 3 seconds but if this topic is about how i think, the answer is above.

Greetings,
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Hobo on January 23, 2013, 00:16
Server seems fine to me. It's much better than when it was in the UK. Now that it's in a different location I have no packetloss.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Supra on January 23, 2013, 01:03
Quote from: mick88 on January 22, 2013, 21:57
To give my persnal opinion about the new hosting location, I think it's very good. My packetloss is much lower than before and despite high ping, it's very responsive for me.

It's not responsive for me at all, and it is not my internet. In the start, it was perfect, but in the last two weeks or so, it has not responded fast. Often commands come up multiple seconds after typed in.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: DemonicPankake on January 23, 2013, 02:47
I haven't gotten lag, I love the location too, considering I am american.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Luismi. on January 23, 2013, 10:14
Quote from: The_Hobo on January 23, 2013, 00:16
Server seems fine to me. It's much better than when it was in the UK. Now that it's in a different location I have no packetloss.

+1 Hobo. Now the cases of people desynced decrease, and I personally have less packetloss.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Storm94 on January 23, 2013, 10:52
I'm going to chime in here, and I'm going to attempt to remove my bias (since my ping is fucking awesome because of my short distance from the server (100mi/160km))

The Arizona server has seemed to work well for CVT. It has DDoS protection, which is what CVT needs right now. Now, when the server was hosted in France/UK, I consistently had 150-250 ping. But that is not what matters, this isn't a DM server. What we care about is packtloss.

Now think of the connection that the server has to the rest of the internet as a hose, and that hose has a specific thickness. Now, think of a packet as a water drop. That is how the internet works. A DDoS is when someone takes a fucking bucket and pours it into the hose, restricting our little streams of water that contact the server. Our streams together don't make a difference overall, but when someone puts a shitton of water into the hose, our streams can't make it there, and we have packetloss (and subsequently, timeout). Now, imagine DDoS protection as some really big black dude that can see that a guy with a bucket is coming, and that he is going to pour it into our hose. Well, Mr. Black Dude came prepared, and spliced a second hose into ours, and can direct the flood of water away. Once he learns when this guy likes to come, and where from, he can stop the guy from even pouring (at least in a crude sense. A server firewall blocks the malicious connections). Now, if we move the server back to Europe, the black guy doesn't come with, and we are back to square one.

I hope my explanation was clear enough (as well as amusing). Can we just stop the bitchfest about the new server location and just relish in the fact that we can actually play the damn game now?
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Terrorista310 on January 23, 2013, 13:03
The server few days ago: 


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Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Shake on January 23, 2013, 14:07
I don't really mind about the ping (180-220), but I get some lag spikes and DC's, but oh well, I'm happy I can play it.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: mamorunl on January 23, 2013, 15:40
I just heard some stuff from other people who are also with volt and they are saying the same stuff. Volt host is going bad :(
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Dobby on January 23, 2013, 16:32
Guys, stop complaining :) I'm sure if there was a real problem mick would have it sorted, when the UK server was offline, mick went out of his way to host it personally, and he didn't have to. He chose to. If you lag, slow down, if someone rams you accidentally, /pm [I'd] apologize, whatever, I do it out of respect, there's ways around the lag spikes, and the downtime, I'd go into detail, but I'm kind enough not to rant :)

I loved the explanation about the DDOS protection, and the dude with the hosepipes by the way :D
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Calvingreen17. on January 23, 2013, 16:43
Quote from: DanielDawson on January 23, 2013, 16:32
Guys, stop complaining :) I'm sure if there was a real problem mick would have it sorted, when the UK server was offline, mick went out of his way to host it personally, and he didn't have to. He chose to. If you lag, slow down, if someone rams you accidentally, /pm [I'd] apologize, whatever, I do it out of respect, there's ways around the lag spikes, and the downtime, I'd go into detail, but I'm kind enough not to rant :)

I loved the explanation about the DDOS protection, and the dude with the hosepipes by the way :D

Exactly. What people in this server lack is kindness, Instead of trying to solve the problem when they get into an accident, they decide to insult. A simple "Sorry" and some money wouldnt hurt would it?
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: SpazzBucket. on January 23, 2013, 17:46
Quote from: Storm94 on January 23, 2013, 10:52
I'm going to chime in here, and I'm going to attempt to remove my bias (since my ping is fucking awesome because of my short distance from the server (100mi/160km))

The Arizona server has seemed to work well for CVT. It has DDoS protection, which is what CVT needs right now. Now, when the server was hosted in France/UK, I consistently had 150-250 ping. But that is not what matters, this isn't a DM server. What we care about is packtloss.

Now think of the connection that the server has to the rest of the internet as a hose, and that hose has a specific thickness. Now, think of a packet as a water drop. That is how the internet works. A DDoS is when someone takes a fucking bucket and pours it into the hose, restricting our little streams of water that contact the server. Our streams together don't make a difference overall, but when someone puts a shitton of water into the hose, our streams can't make it there, and we have packetloss (and subsequently, timeout). Now, imagine DDoS protection as some really big black dude that can see that a guy with a bucket is coming, and that he is going to pour it into our hose. Well, Mr. Black Dude came prepared, and spliced a second hose into ours, and can direct the flood of water away. Once he learns when this guy likes to come, and where from, he can stop the guy from even pouring (at least in a crude sense. A server firewall blocks the malicious connections). Now, if we move the server back to Europe, the black guy doesn't come with, and we are back to square one.

I hope my explanation was clear enough (as well as amusing). Can we just stop the bitchfest about the new server location and just relish in the fact that we can actually play the damn game now?
^That is a perfect response xD
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: SpazzBucket. on January 23, 2013, 17:49
Quote from: Calvingreen17. on January 23, 2013, 16:43

Exactly. What people in this server lack is kindness, Instead of trying to solve the problem when they get into an accident, they decide to insult. A simple "Sorry" and some money wouldnt hurt would it?
And this is awesome as well, I agree, just say sorry and move on, it's what I do too, if I accidentally lag ram someone and they lose their trailer, I stop whatever I'm doing to help them reconnect it, it's just common courtesy, I wish there was more players in the server that had it
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: TheFluttershyPony on January 23, 2013, 17:53
The question is - do you enjoy this way of playing (lags, crashes, logging in/out 5x times an hour)? Because I don't.

PS: I love the server, but some improvements would be welcome. I cannot understand policy of "play don't bitch no matter what".
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: SpazzBucket. on January 23, 2013, 17:57
Quote from: TheFluttershyPony on January 23, 2013, 17:53
The question is - do you enjoy this way of playing (lags, crashes, logging in/out 5x times an hour)? Because I don't.

PS: I love the server, but some improvements would be welcome. I cannot understand policy of "play don't bitch no matter what".
Only yesterday I noticed a little bit of lag when entering commands, I have never timed out or had any desync problems, it's your internet or you are playing on peak server times, I have reinstalled my game around 10 times in the past week cause of mods screwing it up, right now everything works perfectly with no bugs. And what would you rather? the server being down for 2 weeks and then up for a few days then back down for another week because of DDoS attacks? or just have the server crash a few times a day because of high player count?
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Shake on January 23, 2013, 18:08
Quote from: TheFluttershyPony on January 23, 2013, 17:53
The question is - do you enjoy this way of playing (lags, crashes, logging in/out 5x times an hour)? Because I don't.

PS: I love the server, but some improvements would be welcome. I cannot understand policy of "play don't bitch no matter what".
Yes, improvements could be made, but I don't know what mick can do to improve it. If he puts the server on EU, it won't get DDoS protection so... Or it's DDoS, or lags/dc's...
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Dobby on January 23, 2013, 20:51
The servers gone off for what? Five minuites.. Enough time for a person to go out and get some fresh air, or talk to friends. Let's do a vote..

DDOS Protection - but with 10 minuites downtime a day, slight (for me) lag, and there's the rude people in crashes etc..

Or

No DDOS Protection - slightly less ping (for us euro's) full uptime with high playercount, and 1-3 weeks downtime?
Be honest :) I'd rather have the first option
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Shake on January 23, 2013, 21:33
Quote from: DanielDawson on January 23, 2013, 20:51
The servers gone off for what? Five minuites.. Enough time for a person to go out and get some fresh air, or talk to friends. Let's do a vote..

DDOS Protection - but with 10 minuites downtime a day, slight (for me) lag, and there's the rude people in crashes etc..

Or

No DDOS Protection - slightly less ping (for us euro's) full uptime with high playercount, and 1-3 weeks downtime?
Be honest :) I'd rather have the first option
No doubt I'd rather have the first option. When Convoy was down for those weeks, I went out a lot with my friends (which is a thing I like a lot tbh), but I also liked to play CT when I got home from school and such, just to relax.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: nyolc8 on January 23, 2013, 22:41
for me, the new location is good, it was perfect in the first two weeks. But since 3-4 days, I'm getting random "mega"-lags, 2days ago when I connected, I got desynced in 3-4 sec multiple times. It was laggy today too, but atleast it was playable. Btw in the past 3-4 days, the server starts to lagg when ~60+ players online. If there are 30-40 players online, then no lagg.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: bazingashane0 on January 23, 2013, 22:52
Quote from: TheFluttershyPony on January 23, 2013, 17:53
The question is - do you enjoy this way of playing (lags, crashes, logging in/out 5x times an hour)? Because I don't.

PS: I love the server, but some improvements would be welcome. I cannot understand policy of "play don't bitch no matter what".
Yes I prefer to play on the server that is actually online and doesn't cause severe lag and also doesn't make majority of people have high packetloss (3% or more).


What people need to understand is that it has nothing to do with location and stop whinging about it. mick lives in europe and is happy for it too be hosted in America since it's a better location.


Also would this argument really be going on if the server was originally hosted in the USA all along from the time CVT started ? I am guessing not.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Konali on January 24, 2013, 02:39
Hey there:D


I took some days before i wanted to reply here, i have read every comment placed here and i understand every single one of you.
I hear alot of players  about the ping, well to be honest, the only thing thats annoying is that i cant do my job as admin as properly as i could before because it takes more time to load commands and map areas.
Besides that, as admin and as staff member, we have access to the server side packetloss, where it was before around 0.1-0.4 max packetloss, it is variable from 0.4-1.5 now at certain moment and especially at peak times things are tricky.


For those who dont really care what im saying, meh, but TFP ( Thefluttershypony) has a valid point here, and that is that something changed in the last few days, and i know mick said, everything is working well and all, but i think the question everyone should ask is that: What/why has things changed in the last few days/ why do we have randomly lagg spikes.  I do not have the answer, but i do know that the location is not  much of a problem, but it isnt as smooth as it was in the beginning, and that's all i can give to you guys now..
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Matias on January 24, 2013, 02:51
Quote from: Konali on January 24, 2013, 02:39
Hey there:D


I took some days before i wanted to reply here, i have read every comment placed here and i understand every single one of you.
I hear alot of players  about the ping, well to be honest, the only thing thats annoying is that i cant do my job as admin as properly as i could before because it takes more time to load commands and map areas.
Besides that, as admin and as staff member, we have access to the server side packetloss, where it was before around 0.1-0.4 max packetloss, it is variable from 0.4-1.5 now at certain moment and especially at peak times things are tricky.


For those who dont really care what im saying, meh, but TFP ( Thefluttershypony) has a valid point here, and that is that something changed in the last few days, and i know mick said, everything is working well and all, but i think the question everyone should ask is that: What/why has things changed in the last few days/ why do we have randomly lagg spikes.  I do not have the answer, but i do know that the location is not  much of a problem, but it isnt as smooth as it was in the beginning, and that's all i can give to you guys now..

Maybe Volt is experiencing some sort of lag or hardware issues that are provoking this huge lag. It would be good to contact them and ask why the lag got raised last week.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Konali on January 24, 2013, 02:57
Quote from: Matias. on January 24, 2013, 02:51
Quote from: Konali on January 24, 2013, 02:39
Hey there:D


I took some days before i wanted to reply here, i have read every comment placed here and i understand every single one of you.
I hear alot of players  about the ping, well to be honest, the only thing thats annoying is that i cant do my job as admin as properly as i could before because it takes more time to load commands and map areas.
Besides that, as admin and as staff member, we have access to the server side packetloss, where it was before around 0.1-0.4 max packetloss, it is variable from 0.4-1.5 now at certain moment and especially at peak times things are tricky.


For those who dont really care what im saying, meh, but TFP ( Thefluttershypony) has a valid point here, and that is that something changed in the last few days, and i know mick said, everything is working well and all, but i think the question everyone should ask is that: What/why has things changed in the last few days/ why do we have randomly lagg spikes.  I do not have the answer, but i do know that the location is not  much of a problem, but it isnt as smooth as it was in the beginning, and that's all i can give to you guys now..

Maybe Volt is experiencing some sort of lag or hardware issues that are provoking this huge lag. It would be good to contact them and ask why the lag got raised last week.


Well with the average customer respond time Volt has, i think its better i can ask my brother if Santa exists....
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Matias on January 24, 2013, 02:59
Quote from: Konali on January 24, 2013, 02:57
Quote from: Matias. on January 24, 2013, 02:51
Quote from: Konali on January 24, 2013, 02:39
Hey there:D


I took some days before i wanted to reply here, i have read every comment placed here and i understand every single one of you.
I hear alot of players  about the ping, well to be honest, the only thing thats annoying is that i cant do my job as admin as properly as i could before because it takes more time to load commands and map areas.
Besides that, as admin and as staff member, we have access to the server side packetloss, where it was before around 0.1-0.4 max packetloss, it is variable from 0.4-1.5 now at certain moment and especially at peak times things are tricky.


For those who dont really care what im saying, meh, but TFP ( Thefluttershypony) has a valid point here, and that is that something changed in the last few days, and i know mick said, everything is working well and all, but i think the question everyone should ask is that: What/why has things changed in the last few days/ why do we have randomly lagg spikes.  I do not have the answer, but i do know that the location is not  much of a problem, but it isnt as smooth as it was in the beginning, and that's all i can give to you guys now..

Maybe Volt is experiencing some sort of lag or hardware issues that are provoking this huge lag. It would be good to contact them and ask why the lag got raised last week.


Well with the average customer respond time Volt has, i think its better i can ask my brother if Santa exists....

:biggrin: :biggrin: Atleast send they a msg to be answered whenever they want to xD
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Dobby on January 24, 2013, 03:00
Is there not a telephone number someone could call :) I find if I'm sorting something out, calling is usually more productive than email.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: TheFluttershyPony on January 24, 2013, 12:18
Who would be the one to make a call? Some 13 y.o. kid or Mi- 'I don't care' -ck? :)
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Konali on January 24, 2013, 12:46
Quote from: TheFluttershyPony on January 24, 2013, 12:18
Who would be the one to make a call? Some 13 y.o. kid or Mi- 'I don't care' -ck? :)


Thats not needed pony:) Mick does care, otherwise he wouldnt have replied here in the first place.
He has been way 8 days to Poland for vacation and just came back, cut him some slack:)


Besides that, every host has it issues, and its true that ping is not much of a problem, but its not true, it is not  a problem at all.
At peak times + convoys + players in front of you that have mods/ bad pc = not fun to drive due to the ping/lag spikes.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Viper on January 24, 2013, 12:52
i agreee with noah think about us why did u think i made that topic wee all have 200 so it beeterr .
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Hobo on January 24, 2013, 12:57
One lag spike and *bam* everyone complains. No matter where we go there will always be some kind of lag at some point. This is an online multiplayer game, you should be lucky you can even connect to other people like this. I have no lag. My laptop plays GTA at 100fps and I have fiber optic internet.
I've been cop for the past couple weeks and if there is lag as a cop you can't really catch suspects. I've arrested plenty of them without any lag issue.

Stop complaining about the server. There is no lag and the server almost never crashes now.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Konali on January 24, 2013, 13:09
Quote from: The_Hobo on January 24, 2013, 12:57
One lag spike and *bam* everyone complains. No matter where we go there will always be some kind of lag at some point. This is an online multiplayer game, you should be lucky you can even connect to other people like this. I have no lag. My laptop plays GTA at 100fps and I have fiber optic internet.
I've been cop for the past couple weeks and if there is lag as a cop you can't really catch suspects. I've arrested plenty of them without any lag issue.

Stop complaining about the server. There is no lag and the server almost never crashes now.


I read: I , ME, I
I think when you see yourself allowed to explain your story, you should let other allow to do their story to. It would be much appreciated if you could bring up the respect to let others say their things too. Yes you have good internet and a good laptop i read, but thats you. Someone who doesnt have that, should have the right to make a comment here too see.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: mamorunl on January 24, 2013, 13:10
Quote from: The_Hobo on January 24, 2013, 12:57
One lag spike and *bam* everyone complains. No matter where we go there will always be some kind of lag at some point. This is an online multiplayer game, you should be lucky you can even connect to other people like this. I have no lag. My laptop plays GTA at 100fps and I have fiber optic internet.
I've been cop for the past couple weeks and if there is lag as a cop you can't really catch suspects. I've arrested plenty of them without any lag issue.

Stop complaining about the server. There is no lag and the server almost never crashes now.

You really aren't online that much, are you? In a week, the fuel rates have gone up to 13 again so there is stuff happening. Also random timeouts, not being able to login etc.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: TheFluttershyPony on January 24, 2013, 13:46
I feel like we're playng different games... But whatever. I don't want to argue.

Go, continue to contribute to the server financially and get lags and crashes in return, if that's what you enjoy. I'm playing also another on-line multiplayer game (though not of gta-type) and I never, ever experienced lag nor crash. And for that kind of fair treatment of a player I am eager to pay 20$ a month and I do so.

Pony - out.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: TheGame on January 24, 2013, 15:54
It's never good for you guys...
We change the server host because the France and UK host location was shit in your opinion.
Now we changed it and it's still not good?
Be happy that mick spends a lot of money in this amazing server and play.
What can he do on it that the server crashes 3 times a day?
Be happy that it isn't offline for like 2-3 weeks, what happend in December.
Don't complain and play!  :)
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Matias on January 24, 2013, 16:08
Quote from: Konali on January 24, 2013, 13:09
Quote from: The_Hobo on January 24, 2013, 12:57
One lag spike and *bam* everyone complains. No matter where we go there will always be some kind of lag at some point. This is an online multiplayer game, you should be lucky you can even connect to other people like this. I have no lag. My laptop plays GTA at 100fps and I have fiber optic internet.
I've been cop for the past couple weeks and if there is lag as a cop you can't really catch suspects. I've arrested plenty of them without any lag issue.

Stop complaining about the server. There is no lag and the server almost never crashes now.


I read: I , ME, I
I think when you see yourself allowed to explain your story, you should let other allow to do their story to. It would be much appreciated if you could bring up the respect to let others say their things too. Yes you have good internet and a good laptop i read, but thats you. Someone who doesnt have that, should have the right to make a comment here too see.
Kona is stating a good point. Server used to help European players with low specs computers to play good, but now that ping got raised some milliseconds the game became laggy for them, but it's not a server location problem, it's a problem about Internet Service Providers and Computers specs. You can't just blame the effort mick is doing to keep this server online. But if it gets moved to France where it been before it's good for me since the time i became admin it been awesome and good time response. Also i joined an european server and i gotta accept it used to be hosted at Europe.

Quote from: Konali on January 24, 2013, 13:09
I read: I , ME, I
It would be much appreciated if you could bring up the respect to let others say their things too. Yes you have good internet and a good laptop i read, but thats you. Someone who doesnt have that, should have the right to make a comment here too see.

I think hobo stated his point of view and didnt tried to stop anyone of doing it.
Yes kona, you are right, everyone has the right to tell how the lag affects themselves and no one will stop them of doing it, because this forum has freedom of speech.  8)

Quote from: mamorunl on January 24, 2013, 13:10
You really aren't online that much, are you? In a week, the fuel rates have gone up to 13 again so there is stuff happening. Also random timeouts, not being able to login etc.

I think you are wrong mamorunl. Hobo and me are almost the most active moderators at evenings and nights. We know server been experiencing lag this last days and we are also complaining about it, but it seems to be an internal problem at Volt since it used to have a good response at the begin of it.


Dont get me wrong guys, i am also complaining about the huge lag that we experience sometimes, i am from South America and USA server is at same distance for me than it was when it was at France, i wish it could get moved back to Europe so everyone would be happy, but there is a true fact, Volt has ddos protection at Arizona and thats why mick moved to America :(
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Terrorista310 on January 24, 2013, 16:39
Since this server is a mick project, maybe a "school" project, idk, i'm happy the server is online and playable and that's it. I wont complain just because of some lags.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Lindsey on January 24, 2013, 17:34
I don't find it enjoyable starting a garbage mission to not be able to finish it ^_^

It's no fun joining, starting a mission and getting kicked.

Also, I've rarely seen any other sa-mp servers with these issues, with lag outs, desyncs and 3 crashes a day. If my brothers server crashed 3 times a week he'd have been furious, let alone 3 times a day.

Oh well :)
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Konali on January 24, 2013, 19:12
Ok maybe it are 3 crashes on 1 day, but can someone explain to me then why the server has to be restarted atleast 12 times by admins and it crashed 10 times in the last 1,5 week. To me that isnt as stable as everyone thinks it is. As Matias said, its probably a Volt issue, and we all know that Volt isnt as customer friendly as they claim to be.

Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Twido on January 24, 2013, 19:14
Quote from: Konali on January 24, 2013, 19:12
Ok maybe it are 3 crashes on 1 day, but can someone explain to me then why the server has to be restarted atleast 12 times by admins and it crashed 10 times in the last 1,5 week. To me that isnt as stable as everyone thinks it is. As Matias said, its probably a Volt issue, and we all know that Volt isnt as customer friendly as they claim to be.
Rage at them and they will be friendly. The host sucks. Would be nicer if mick moved to another host. not server location, but since its mick his thing we can't do a thing about it
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Konali on January 24, 2013, 19:21
Quote from: Twido on January 24, 2013, 19:14
Quote from: Konali on January 24, 2013, 19:12
Ok maybe it are 3 crashes on 1 day, but can someone explain to me then why the server has to be restarted atleast 12 times by admins and it crashed 10 times in the last 1,5 week. To me that isnt as stable as everyone thinks it is. As Matias said, its probably a Volt issue, and we all know that Volt isnt as customer friendly as they claim to be.
Rage at them and they will be friendly. The host sucks. Would be nicer if mick moved to another host. not server location, but since its mick his thing we can't do a thing about it


True XD i just feel bad for those who have trouble with this:(
I have no problem with the new server location and im fine if it stays there to be honest. But it seems to crash everytime near peak hours, offcourse there is no - less lagg when there are 30 players online at usa timezone see. I dont believe in Volt anymore twido xD especially after how good they helped you and thesandman with yout forum issues..
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Twido on January 24, 2013, 19:27
Quote from: Konali on January 24, 2013, 19:21
Quote from: Twido on January 24, 2013, 19:14
Quote from: Konali on January 24, 2013, 19:12
Ok maybe it are 3 crashes on 1 day, but can someone explain to me then why the server has to be restarted atleast 12 times by admins and it crashed 10 times in the last 1,5 week. To me that isnt as stable as everyone thinks it is. As Matias said, its probably a Volt issue, and we all know that Volt isnt as customer friendly as they claim to be.
Rage at them and they will be friendly. The host sucks. Would be nicer if mick moved to another host. not server location, but since its mick his thing we can't do a thing about it


True XD i just feel bad for those who have trouble with this:(
I have no problem with the new server location and im fine if it stays there to be honest. But it seems to crash everytime near peak hours, offcourse there is no - less lagg when there are 30 players online at usa timezone see. I dont believe in Volt anymore twido xD especially after how "good"[/size] they helped you and thesandman with yout forum issues..
yeah true story. Oh yeah btw , another rage message has been send
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: bazingashane0 on January 24, 2013, 20:09
Quote from: Matias. on January 24, 2013, 16:08
Quote from: Konali on January 24, 2013, 13:09
Quote from: The_Hobo on January 24, 2013, 12:57
One lag spike and *bam* everyone complains. No matter where we go there will always be some kind of lag at some point. This is an online multiplayer game, you should be lucky you can even connect to other people like this. I have no lag. My laptop plays GTA at 100fps and I have fiber optic internet.
I've been cop for the past couple weeks and if there is lag as a cop you can't really catch suspects. I've arrested plenty of them without any lag issue.

Stop complaining about the server. There is no lag and the server almost never crashes now.


I read: I , ME, I
I think when you see yourself allowed to explain your story, you should let other allow to do their story to. It would be much appreciated if you could bring up the respect to let others say their things too. Yes you have good internet and a good laptop i read, but thats you. Someone who doesnt have that, should have the right to make a comment here too see.
Kona is stating a good point. Server used to help European players with low specs computers to play good, but now that ping got raised some milliseconds the game became laggy for them, but it's not a server location problem, it's a problem about Internet Service Providers and Computers specs. You can't just blame the effort mick is doing to keep this server online. But if it gets moved to France where it been before it's good for me since the time i became admin it been awesome and good time response. Also i joined an european server and i gotta accept it used to be hosted at Europe.

Quote from: Konali on January 24, 2013, 13:09
I read: I , ME, I
It would be much appreciated if you could bring up the respect to let others say their things too. Yes you have good internet and a good laptop i read, but thats you. Someone who doesnt have that, should have the right to make a comment here too see.

I think hobo stated his point of view and didnt tried to stop anyone of doing it.
Yes kona, you are right, everyone has the right to tell how the lag affects themselves and no one will stop them of doing it, because this forum has freedom of speech.  8)

Quote from: mamorunl on January 24, 2013, 13:10
You really aren't online that much, are you? In a week, the fuel rates have gone up to 13 again so there is stuff happening. Also random timeouts, not being able to login etc.

I think you are wrong mamorunl. Hobo and me are almost the most active moderators at evenings and nights. We know server been experiencing lag this last days and we are also complaining about it, but it seems to be an internal problem at Volt since it used to have a good response at the begin of it.


Dont get me wrong guys, i am also complaining about the huge lag that we experience sometimes, i am from South America and USA server is at same distance for me than it was when it was at France, i wish it could get moved back to Europe so everyone would be happy, but there is a true fact, Volt has ddos protection at Arizona and thats why mick moved to America :(
All I am hearing from most peoples are replies are that it is inconvenient for European players who had a band-aid on prior to the server being moved to America.
If you have a pc that can not handle mods don't install them. Some people continue to install heaps of mods and high quality mods on lower end pc's, it won't work.
Also like my first post was go through all those issues before checking to see if it is actually CVT's fault or not.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: mick88 on January 24, 2013, 20:30
@Konali server crashes are not host's fault. Server uses many plugins, including old version of mysql, which I suspect is the reason for crashes. In peak time there is more queries handled by the said plugin, thus higher chance of crash. I can't update it because it's not supported by gamemode and rescripting parts of gm to work with the new plugin is a lot of work.

Also, regarding commands taking seconds to execute, a lot of commands query the database, thus take longer to execute. This includes commands like /stats, /contacts, /forsale, even /vip and many more. It is normal that these commands take longer to execute, because they send query to the database and wait for response.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: TheFluttershyPony on January 24, 2013, 20:31
Quote from: Lindsey on January 24, 2013, 17:34
I don't find it enjoyable starting a garbage mission to not be able to finish it ^_^

It's no fun joining, starting a mission and getting kicked.

Also, I've rarely seen any other sa-mp servers with these issues, with lag outs, desyncs and 3 crashes a day. If my brothers server crashed 3 times a week he'd have been furious, let alone 3 times a day.

Oh well :)

Quote from: Konali on January 24, 2013, 19:12
Ok maybe it are 3 crashes on 1 day, but can someone explain to me then why the server has to be restarted atleast 12 times by admins and it crashed 10 times in the last 1,5 week. To me that isnt as stable as everyone thinks it is. As Matias said, its probably a Volt issue, and we all know that Volt isnt as customer friendly as they claim to be.

These two posts summarize exactly my point of view.
Thank God someone else noticed that.

After reading so many posts saying 'server is more than OK, you have shitty net & comp so go kill yourself' I was starting to think that these crashes, lags, kicks, time outs etc. are just the products of my pink imagination.  >:D

Mick, is there any chance for situation of the server to improve?
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: $nake on January 24, 2013, 20:36
Quote from: mick88 on January 24, 2013, 20:30
@Konali server crashes are not host's fault. Server uses many plugins, including old version of mysql, which I suspect is the reason for crashes. In peak time there is more queries handled by the said plugin, thus higher chance of crash. I can't update it because it's not supported by gamemode and rescripting parts of gm to work with the new plugin is a lot of work.
Maybe start working with it, even step by step, we will wait 2-3 months, but knowing that we are waiting for something you are doing is positive, like collecting €100 by saving €1 everyday :)
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: tomos on January 24, 2013, 20:41
but why there is so much lag with other players i losted a lot of missions..
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: TheFluttershyPony on January 24, 2013, 20:44
This is because server has been acting strange for about 1,5 week but no one seems to have noticed that and apparently, nothing can be done.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Matias on January 24, 2013, 20:48
Quote from: TheFluttershyPony on January 24, 2013, 20:44
This is because server has been acting strange for about 1,5 week but no one seems to have noticed that and apparently, nothing can be done.

Did you see what mick just replied?
It's caused by the script since it uses too much plugins and mysql that uses alot of queries at peak hours. That makes the server become lagged and eventually crashing.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: TheFluttershyPony on January 24, 2013, 20:49
Quote from: Matias. on January 24, 2013, 20:48
Quote from: TheFluttershyPony on January 24, 2013, 20:44
This is because server has been acting strange for about 1,5 week but no one seems to have noticed that and apparently, nothing can be done.

Did you see what mick just replied?
It's caused by the script since it uses too much plugins and mysql that uses alot of queries at peak hours. That makes the server become lagged and eventually crashing.

Oh. My bad, sorry.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Spekter on January 24, 2013, 21:07
Even though my ping is around 200, i would lie if i said that i notice a difference. There is no noticeable delay in cmds either.
In my opinion, server is a lot better since it got moved away from UK. At least it works lol
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: bazingashane0 on January 24, 2013, 21:23
Quote from: $nake on January 24, 2013, 20:36
Quote from: mick88 on January 24, 2013, 20:30
@Konali server crashes are not host's fault. Server uses many plugins, including old version of mysql, which I suspect is the reason for crashes. In peak time there is more queries handled by the said plugin, thus higher chance of crash. I can't update it because it's not supported by gamemode and rescripting parts of gm to work with the new plugin is a lot of work.
Maybe start working with it, even step by step, we will wait 2-3 months, but knowing that we are waiting for something you are doing is positive, like collecting €100 by saving €1 everyday :)
$nake it's not as easy to say ok get it done and working. mick has other stuff as well as CVT such as his schooling. And when working with databases it's not something that is as easy as sitting down and doing an hour or two then testing.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: mamorunl on January 24, 2013, 22:21
I don't really feel like this is a MySQL problem. True, the R7 plugin is way faster and it would take some time to switch over from R6 (if you are using BlueGs plugin). However, this is not only MySQL and I have heard from other people that Volt servers are going bad lately.

@Matias.: I hardly see mods online. I saw Benny today and Marc(cc). I do see you more often than others (with the exception of brane, luismi, vikingo and TheSandman as I see them a lot as well - Viki has a great response btw :D )
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Konali on January 25, 2013, 01:59
I saw alot of replies about the new location, but i would love to remind you guys, the only arguement that is going on here, and why this topic was made is that, in the last few days a change took place and this might not occur every day, but lag spikes and server crashes and a small increase in packetloss are the result of that change.


As i understand from mick, its not really Volt but CT side because on peak hours it needs to progress more information than on quiet hours:P
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Killatron on January 25, 2013, 15:55
Old Mysql... explains everything tbh.. almost all the servers i have been involved in have had troubles like this at one point or another and it's always the F***ing mysql latencies.. some one really should come up with something better :P

That said.. ploughing into some one cos we both lagged is getting a bit tired.. but not as tired as everyone claiming that they couldn't possibly be the one laggin'
Seriously shape up people we all have these issues but it's not hard to just make some allowances and KEEP YOUR DISTANCE till this gets sorted.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Lindsey on January 25, 2013, 21:30
I've got no issue with the higher ping, it's good to have protection and now almost everyone has similar ping :)
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Calvingreen17. on January 25, 2013, 23:58
Quote from: TheFluttershyPony on January 23, 2013, 17:53
The question is - do you enjoy this way of playing (lags, crashes, logging in/out 5x times an hour)? Because I don't.

PS: I love the server, but some improvements would be welcome. I cannot understand policy of "play don't bitch no matter what".

I admit, besides my fairly low ping, Arizona is kind of disappointing. Though the server IS up, it does tend to lag and crash. Then again, Volt is bad so, we'll see what happens from here.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Storm94 on January 26, 2013, 05:27
Quote from: mick88 on January 24, 2013, 20:30
@Konali server crashes are not host's fault. Server uses many plugins, including old version of mysql, which I suspect is the reason for crashes. In peak time there is more queries handled by the said plugin, thus higher chance of crash. I can't update it because it's not supported by gamemode and rescripting parts of gm to work with the new plugin is a lot of work.

Also, regarding commands taking seconds to execute, a lot of commands query the database, thus take longer to execute. This includes commands like /stats, /contacts, /forsale, even /vip and many more. It is normal that these commands take longer to execute, because they send query to the database and wait for response.
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/33881219.jpg)
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: mick88 on January 26, 2013, 16:19
Quote from: Storm94 on January 26, 2013, 05:27
Quote from: mick88 on January 24, 2013, 20:30
@Konali server crashes are not host's fault. Server uses many plugins, including old version of mysql, which I suspect is the reason for crashes. In peak time there is more queries handled by the said plugin, thus higher chance of crash. I can't update it because it's not supported by gamemode and rescripting parts of gm to work with the new plugin is a lot of work.

Also, regarding commands taking seconds to execute, a lot of commands query the database, thus take longer to execute. This includes commands like /stats, /contacts, /forsale, even /vip and many more. It is normal that these commands take longer to execute, because they send query to the database and wait for response.
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/33881219.jpg)
Yes, they are threaded. That's why they take longer to execute.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: mamorunl on January 26, 2013, 16:37
Quote from: mick88 on January 26, 2013, 16:19
Quote from: Storm94 on January 26, 2013, 05:27
Quote from: mick88 on January 24, 2013, 20:30
@Konali server crashes are not host's fault. Server uses many plugins, including old version of mysql, which I suspect is the reason for crashes. In peak time there is more queries handled by the said plugin, thus higher chance of crash. I can't update it because it's not supported by gamemode and rescripting parts of gm to work with the new plugin is a lot of work.

Also, regarding commands taking seconds to execute, a lot of commands query the database, thus take longer to execute. This includes commands like /stats, /contacts, /forsale, even /vip and many more. It is normal that these commands take longer to execute, because they send query to the database and wait for response.
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/33881219.jpg)
Yes, they are threaded. That's why they take longer to execute.

Say what? Because of threading, you can run the server on one thread and the query on a seperate thread decreasing the time drastically :o
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: ElectroniX on January 26, 2013, 20:56
Definetly agree with everything stated in this topic, I don't know who wouldn't agree, there's the fact that the host is in Arizona and most, not all but most of the players are from Europe and southwest Asia so i think it would be best to move the server closer to it's players!
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: MikeMan on January 26, 2013, 20:59
Quote from: TheFluttershyPony on January 22, 2013, 15:21

Supported by one member of the staff team, I decided to start a topic with our public complaint about new server location.

Server's displacement did not change a thing in how it works and if I were to make a fair judgement, I would say that its stability is 10x worse than the previous one's. Moving the server to Arizona made playing an unpleasant experience for those living in the Europe. The game is laggy and our pings have raised significantly (mine - from average 64 to average 212). However, it would be bareable if the server was more or less stable and working - it is not. It crashes all the time, the lags for all players are huge - let me refer to yesterday when both me and Mr.Benny tried to organize a carshow and both of our events were interupted by an enormous lag and a crash. The day before, in an one hour time of me being (or trying to be) in game, the server crashed four times (basically each time I managed to start a mission and the server crashed, and again, and again).

Thus, I would like to make a public request for Mick to think about some improvements.
Mick, with all respect to you and what you have done (which, btw, I regard as an enormous achievement and a fantastic thing in general), if the situation with the server continues, we might expect many farewells from the community since we cannot (and I am not exaggerating here) play anymore.

At the same time I would like anyone thinking the same as me to leave his/her voice in a post below. Let Mick know that we care about the server and something has to be done.

So pretty much, screw the American and Western and Aussie Players? lol...
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Rainbow on January 26, 2013, 21:03
Quote from: Bangor on January 26, 2013, 20:59
Quote from: TheFluttershyPony on January 22, 2013, 15:21

Supported by one member of the staff team, I decided to start a topic with our public complaint about new server location.

Server's displacement did not change a thing in how it works and if I were to make a fair judgement, I would say that its stability is 10x worse than the previous one's. Moving the server to Arizona made playing an unpleasant experience for those living in the Europe. The game is laggy and our pings have raised significantly (mine - from average 64 to average 212). However, it would be bareable if the server was more or less stable and working - it is not. It crashes all the time, the lags for all players are huge - let me refer to yesterday when both me and Mr.Benny tried to organize a carshow and both of our events were interupted by an enormous lag and a crash. The day before, in an one hour time of me being (or trying to be) in game, the server crashed four times (basically each time I managed to start a mission and the server crashed, and again, and again).

Thus, I would like to make a public request for Mick to think about some improvements.
Mick, with all respect to you and what you have done (which, btw, I regard as an enormous achievement and a fantastic thing in general), if the situation with the server continues, we might expect many farewells from the community since we cannot (and I am not exaggerating here) play anymore.

At the same time I would like anyone thinking the same as me to leave his/her voice in a post below. Let Mick know that we care about the server and something has to be done.

So pretty much, screw the American and Western and Aussie Players? lol...

Not even going to comment on this one and risk being moderated, but I will say, the stereotype shoe is on the other foot now and give you a +1 Bangor xD.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: The_Inventor on February 03, 2013, 05:22
For those players complaining of previously having 60 ping and now having 200 ping
PLEASE STOP COMPLAINING.

I used to have 400+ and always getting messages of high ping and the game never crashed due to it being high. I did occasionally get kicked.
I now have a ping of around 260 and the game still doesnt crash.


I say keep the server where it currently is. At least it wont be down for a week due to DDOS attacks!
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: GHOST on February 03, 2013, 13:51
I have only 2 problems since the new SAMP update appeared:
1. lag increased
2. first problem is nothing compared to this one. I can't run the game with more then 3-4 mods because it will crash in WC (apparently I'm not the only who has this problem). It took me a lot of time to come up with a stable configuration of mods that won't make the game to crash, when I finally got that right, the Update fucked everything up.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: nyolc8 on February 03, 2013, 16:50
Quote from: GHOST on February 03, 2013, 13:51
I have only 2 problems since the new SAMP update appeared:
1. lag increased
...
This.

Also my ping from ~200 jumped to ~220 since 0.3x. And I hoped for less lagg...  :-\
I think the server is nearly losing the fun-factor because of the laggs...

I hope the new island won't cause more laggs... :o
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Konali on February 03, 2013, 16:54
Quote from: nyolc8 on February 03, 2013, 16:50
Quote from: GHOST on February 03, 2013, 13:51
I have only 2 problems since the new SAMP update appeared:
1. lag increased
...
This.

Also my ping from ~200 jumped to ~220 since 0.3x. And I hoped for less lagg...  :-\
I think the server is nearly losing the fun-factor because of the laggs...

I hope the new island won't cause more laggs... :o
Haha i dont know, it has alot of objects thats for sure.
BUT, only objects in X range close to you will be streamed in, so it should be the same as eyre/fir/sandus :P
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Matias on February 03, 2013, 16:57
Since 0.3x i cant feel server lag anymore. Also it goes much more smoother than it was with 0.3e, so far this client fixed some problems with networking.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Blitz_FR on February 03, 2013, 18:57
Quote from: GHOST on February 03, 2013, 13:51
I have only 2 problems since the new SAMP update appeared:
1. lag increased
2. first problem is nothing compared to this one. I can't run the game with more then 3-4 mods because it will crash in WC (apparently I'm not the only who has this problem). It took me a lot of time to come up with a stable configuration of mods that won't make the game to crash, when I finally got that right, the Update fucked everything up.

Same problem as you, since the 0.3x i can't use my Scania & Trailer mod when i come in WC. Before this problem doesn't exist it work perfectlyn no lag, no freeze etc ... , it's really annoying to use the basic Road Train now :/
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Biszy on February 03, 2013, 19:34
well i like the server where it is. If it gets move back to Europe i will not be able to play again. and I hate that cause i love this server. my internet aint the greatest. and i don't have money for better internet due to my unfortunate job situation. I really want to continue playing on this server. but if it ever does, like I said I will not be able to play anymore cause all I would have is ping kicks and dysyncing.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: GHOST on February 04, 2013, 12:17
I just want to be able to use my mods...fuck the lag, fuck everything else, as long the game is playable everything is cool for me. But not being able to use mods, that's a no-go for me.
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Boy on February 04, 2013, 13:16
Quote from: samgt13 on February 03, 2013, 18:57
Quote from: GHOST on February 03, 2013, 13:51
I have only 2 problems since the new SAMP update appeared:
1. lag increased
2. first problem is nothing compared to this one. I can't run the game with more then 3-4 mods because it will crash in WC (apparently I'm not the only who has this problem). It took me a lot of time to come up with a stable configuration of mods that won't make the game to crash, when I finally got that right, the Update fucked everything up.

Same problem as you, since the 0.3x i can't use my Scania & Trailer mod when i come in WC. Before this problem doesn't exist it work perfectlyn no lag, no freeze etc ... , it's really annoying to use the basic Road Train now :/
Well, finally i know my problem of crashing my game in WC.. every convoy fails with the new SAMP update :(

Uninstalling mods atm.. :(
Title: Re: What is going on with the server? Public Complaint - Take Action
Post by: Dobby on February 04, 2013, 21:35
I've been able to use all my mods (the ones I've posted) without a hitch, there was a few opcodes, but they're all re installed with no problems, WC loads fine for me :) except when the servers full