I'm planning to build a computer, i've choose the spec and ask the price to the computer store, and the price is >:D
I'm looking for a branded PC, and i'm comparing these PC, which one do you think is suitable for gaming, or none of them is suitable for gaming >:D :
[hide=DELL OptiPlex 390 MT]Platform Corporate Desktop PC
Processor Type Intel Core-i3 Processor
Processor Onboard Intel® Core™ i3-2120 Processor (3.30 GHz, 3M Cache)
Chipset Intel® H61
Standard Memory 2 GB (1x2GB) DDR3 PC-8500
Max. Memory 8 GB (2 DIMMs)
Video Type Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator 4500
Audio Type Integrated
Speakers Type Integrated
Storage Controller Serial ATA
Floppy Drive Optional
Hard Drive Type 500GB, Serial ATA 7200RPM
Optical Drive Type DVD±RW
Modem Optional
Networking Gigabit LAN
Network Speed 10 / 100 / 1000 Mbps
Keyboard Type USB Keyboard
Input Device Type USB Optical Mouse
Slot Provided PCIe x16, 3x PCIe x1
Card Reader Provided Optional
Interface Provided 10x USB 2.0, VGA, HDMI, LAN, Audio
O/S Provided Microsoft* Windows 7 Professional
Monitor Provided 18.5" LCD
Chassis Form Factor Mini Tower ATX
Power Supply Type 265w
Chassis Dimension (WHD) 17.5 x 36.0 x 41.7 cm
Chassis Weight 8.87 kg [/hide]
[hide=HP Compaq 8000 Elite]Platform Corporate Desktop PC
Processor Type Intel Core2 Quad Processor
Processor Onboard Intel® Core2 Quad Processor Q8400 (2.66 GHz, FSB 1333, 4MB)
Chipset Intel® Q45 Express Chipset
Standard Memory
2GB DDR3 PC-10600
Max. Memory 16 GB (4 DIMMs)
Video Type Intel® Graphic Media Accelerator 4500 256 MB (shared)
Audio Type Integrated
Speakers Type Optional
Storage Controller Integrated
Floppy Drive Optional
Hard Drive Type 500GB, Serial ATA 7200RPM
Optical Drive Type DVD±RW
Modem Optional
Networking Gigabit LAN
Intel 82567LM
Network Speed 10 / 100 / 1000 Mbps
Keyboard Type HP Standard Keyboard
Input Device Type USB Optical Mouse
Slot Provided
1 low-profile PCI
2 low-profile PCI Express x1
1 low-profile PCI Express x16
Card Reader Provided 22 in 1 Media Reader
Interface Provided
Reaar : 6 USB 2.0, 1 serial port, 2 PS/2, 1 RJ-45, 1 VGA, audio in/out
Front: 4 USB 2.0, audio ports
O/S Provided Microsoft* Windows 7 Professional
Monitor Provided Non Monitor
Chassis Form Factor Tower ATX
Power Supply Type 240w
Power Requirements
Input voltage 90 – 264 / 100 – 240 VAC, 50/60 Hz, 47 – 63 Hz, active PFC (89% High Efficiency) [/hide]
[hide=EXTRON NetSystem A100 (S343)]
Platform Single CPU Tower Server
Processor Type Multi-core Intel Xeon Processor (Nehalem-based)
#1 Processor Onboard Intel® Xeon® Processor X3430 (2.40 GHz, No QPI, No HT, Cache 8MB)
#2 Processor Onboard Not Available
Chipset Intel® S3420 Server Chipset
Standard Memory 2 GB ECC DDR3-10600 UDIMM 1333 MHz
Max. Memory 8 GB (4 DIMMs)
Video Type Integrated SE-LLC Graphics 64 MB
Floppy Drive Optional
#1 Controller Integrated 6-channel Serial ATA-II/300
Intel® Matrix Storage Technology (RAID 0, 1, 5, 10 for Microsoft OS) or Intel Embedded RAID Technology 2 (RAID 0, 1, 10 for multiple OS).
Chassis accomodates up to three hard drives and additional two in optional tray
Standard with silicone grommets to isolate drive vibrations
#2 Controller Optional
#1 Hard Drive 500 GB Serial ATA-II/300, 7200 RPM, Cache 8MB, 3.5-inch
#2 Hard Drive Optional
#3 Hard Drive Optional
#1 Optical Drive DVD±RW
#2 Optical Drive Optional
Standard Bays Four shock proof fixed bays
External Bays No Expansion Available
Interface Provided 4x USB 2.0, Serial, VGA, LAN
Slot Provided 2x PCI Express 2.0 x8; 1x PCI Express x4, 1x PCI
Networking Integrated Two Intel® PRO/1000 EB Server Gigabit Connections
System Fans / Coolers Embedded Easy Deploy Fan Cooling
Chassis Form Factor Tower Chassis
Power Supply Type Extron fixed 400w with PFC
Active PFC and high efficiency design for superior environmentally friendly operation.
80 PLUS® Certification means you'll save money on your power bills.
Keyboard Type Extron Stylish Keyboard with USB Hub
Input Device Type Extron Mystica Optical Mouse
Monitor Optional
System Management Integrated BMC with SysManager v3.0
O/S Provided Pre-sales Request Available
Validated System Microsoft* Windows Server* 2003/ 2008, Red Hat* Enterprise Linux 5.3, SuSE* Linux Enterprise Server 10 (all supports 32-bit and 64-bit in x86)
Dimensions (W x H x D) 203 mm x 413 mm x 486 mm
Weight 14 kg [/hide]
[hide=IBM System x3100M3-B2X]Platform Single CPU Tower Server
Processor Type Intel Xeon Processor
#1 Processor Onboard
Intel® Xeon® Processor X3430 (2.40 GHz, Cache 8M)
Standard Memory
2GB ECC DDR3 10600 UDIMM 1333MHz
Max. Memory 16 GB (4 DIMMs)
Video Type
VGA ATI 16MB
Floppy Drive Optional
#1 Hard Drive
250GB SATA 7,2K rpm SATA
#1 Optical Drive DVD-ROM
Interface Provided USB 2.0, VGA, LAN
Slot Provided
3 x PCI-E x16
3 x PCI-E x8
3 x PCI-E x4
Networking Integrated 10/100/1000 Ethernet
System Fans / Coolers Manageable Cooling Fans
Chassis Form Factor Tower Chassis
Power Supply Type 350w
Keyboard Type IBM Keyboard
Input Device Type IBM Mouse
Monitor Optional
System Management
BMC controller with IPMI 2.0and Serial over LAN
O/S Provided Pre-sales Request Available
Dimensions (W x H x D) 8.5" x 17.25" x 21.25"
Weight 33 to 40 pounds (15 to 18kg) [/hide]
I'll attach another video card if one of them is supported :-\
Just build a PC it isn't very hard and you will know exactly what is in it I built mine for under 400
Quote from: Kenny_Power on March 24, 2012, 04:12
Just build a PC it isn't very hard and you will know exactly what is in it I built mine for under 400
i know it, but here, in indonesia, the price >:D and the price of the computer that i post is more affordable :D but if its not suitable i'll build a PC, let's wait till another guy reply, i'll compare those replies if there's enough replies :P
They're all decent computers, but personally I would go with the IBM and second the Extron considering what upgrades you can put into each later on IMO. Mind you the only problem is, and you may know this already, the powersupply units suck for each so if you're planning on, or have, a decent enough Video card then there's a chance your PS won't be able to power it and that's another cost.
If I really had to choose I would go with the Dell, whats your budget by the way ?
what games do you want to play?
prebuilt packages usually have some bottlenecks inside. for example friend bought a Fujitsu siemens Amilo desktop there was a crappy Nvidia Geforce 9500GS (what the fuck is that GS?) the fan of the card was nearly attached to the PSU bottom so there was like 2cm space between. Also they has usually the funny "If removed warranty void" sticker somewhere so you shouldnt open it untill the years has passed and warranty is expired. Knowing dell desktops they put there cheapest parts and bad PSUs.
I would say get that IBM and change the video card and PSU
also buying more ram to is expensive as its ECC board. that HP and Dell has shittier CPUs on them
HP Compaq
Quote from: Dr_dog on March 24, 2012, 10:17
prebuilt packages usually have some bottlenecks inside. for example friend bought a Fujitsu siemens Amilo desktop there was a crappy Nvidia Geforce 9500GS (what the fuck is that GS?) the fan of the card was nearly attached to the PSU bottom so there was like 2cm space between. Also they has usually the funny "If removed warranty void" sticker somewhere so you shouldnt open it untill the years has passed and warranty is expired. Knowing dell desktops they put there cheapest parts and bad PSUs.
I would say get that IBM and change the video card and PSU
also buying more ram to is expensive as its ECC board. that HP and Dell has shittier CPUs on them
listen to dr hax. hes the one person i would trust :D
I had replaced over 7 Dell's PSUs from their workstations as they all had shitty quality caps.
Quote from: Dr_dog on March 24, 2012, 10:17
prebuilt packages usually have some bottlenecks inside. for example friend bought a Fujitsu siemens Amilo desktop there was a crappy Nvidia Geforce 9500GS (what the fuck is that GS?) the fan of the card was nearly attached to the PSU bottom so there was like 2cm space between. Also they has usually the funny "If removed warranty void" sticker somewhere so you shouldnt open it untill the years has passed and warranty is expired. Knowing dell desktops they put there cheapest parts and bad PSUs.
I would say get that IBM and change the video card and PSU
also buying more ram to is expensive as its ECC board. that HP and Dell has shittier CPUs on them
yea.... IBM is pretty cheap, 2gb of ram is enough.... ECC RAM price is >:D
do you think i can attach a gtx550ti to it? With a 350 w PSU, btw server PSU price is >:D too... :P
Oooo... ya... i forgot... all those 4 computers are pretty same in price...
I like the dell! :megusta:
I tell that Dell customer support sucks ass. I once asked for replace fans they replied that i should send the whole unit to the service to just replace the 2 damn fans. They just cant send me the 2 fans and i send the 2 malfunctioning fans to them?
Ontopic:
http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp
That helps me alot to think how big PSU i need. Just fill the slots with components that IBM has and to that video card spot put that gtx550ti
Quote from: Dr_dog on March 24, 2012, 20:29
I tell that Dell customer support sucks ass. I once asked for replace fans they replied that i should send the whole unit to the service to just replace the 2 damn fans. They just cant send me the 2 fans and i send the 2 malfunctioning fans to them?
Ontopic:
http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp
That helps me alot to think how big PSU i need. Just fill the slots with components that IBM has and to that video card spot put that gtx550ti
yea... i've fill the slots, 350 w is on the minimum power, that's without fan, coz IBM dont post how many fan they put there, i allready ask the sales about IBM 43v7477(a 460w server power supply) that can be plugged to IBM x3100 or not...
Quote from: TheDumbledore on March 25, 2012, 06:53
Quote from: Dr_dog on March 24, 2012, 20:29
I tell that Dell customer support sucks ass. I once asked for replace fans they replied that i should send the whole unit to the service to just replace the 2 damn fans. They just cant send me the 2 fans and i send the 2 malfunctioning fans to them?
Ontopic:
http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp (http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp)
That helps me alot to think how big PSU i need. Just fill the slots with components that IBM has and to that video card spot put that gtx550ti
yea... i've fill the slots, 350 w is on the minimum power, that's without fan, coz IBM dont post how many fan they put there, i allready ask the sales about IBM 43v7477(a 460w server power supply) that can be plugged to IBM x3100 or not...
You do understand that your better of assembling your own pc rather then get ass raped by ibm or anyone else trying to sell you upgrades ?
also you said its probably hot swap power supply for server so its probably modular and you can just pull it out from the main PSU. for example my file server got triple PSU redundant so theres 3 modules and 3 power inputs so if you break 2 you still keep going. Just look for cheaper 460w from antec, coolermaster or something
Click the tab called, computer specs on my sig, mobo, cpu, psu, gfx card, ram and case. All after everything to my door $640. You're not gonna be as happy as you think your gonna be with the i3, and 2gb of ram and their shitty psu's with like, 220watt like my last pc. Just find a computer around your house or something, take the cd drive and the hdd and buy the rest of the parts and get building.
Quote from: RaceRX on March 25, 2012, 09:49
Click the tab called, computer specs on my sig, mobo, cpu, psu, gfx card, ram and case. All after everything to my door $640. You're not gonna be as happy as you think your gonna be with the 83, and 2gb of ram and their shitty psu's with like, 220watt like my last pc. Just find a computer around your house or something, take the cd drive and the hdd and buy the rest of the parts and get building.
+1
Quote from: RaceRX on March 25, 2012, 09:49
Click the tab called, computer specs on my sig, mobo, cpu, psu, gfx card, ram and case. All after everything to my door $640. You're not gonna be as happy as you think your gonna be with the 83, and 2gb of ram and their shitty psu's with like, 220watt like my last pc. Just find a computer around your house or something, take the cd drive and the hdd and buy the rest of the parts and get building.
What he sead :OK:
Quote from: Dr_dog on March 25, 2012, 09:35
also you said its probably hot swap power supply for server so its probably modular and you can just pull it out from the main PSU. for example my file server got triple PSU redundant so theres 3 modules and 3 power inputs so if you break 2 you still keep going. Just look for cheaper 460w from antec, coolermaster or something
hax... "antec, coolermaster or something" product PSU for server, or PSU for server is the same as the personal computer PSU?
btw... how much do you need to build your pc (on your sig)?
Quote from: RaceRX on March 25, 2012, 09:49
Click the tab called, computer specs on my sig, mobo, cpu, psu, gfx card, ram and case. All after everything to my door $640. You're not gonna be as happy as you think your gonna be with the i3, and 2gb of ram and their shitty psu's with like, 220watt like my last pc. Just find a computer around your house or something, take the cd drive and the hdd and buy the rest of the parts and get building.
yea... that could be an option, coz there's no reply about the 43v7477 till now... and dunno to if the IBM compatible with the GTX550ti
PSU i was talking about was like this
(http://www.darklab.rutgers.edu/MERCURY/t15/pe2850dell/td06-Ps-09_500px.jpg)
Thats for U2 server though but you understand the point on it. If you break it, you take new one from shelf and stick that in and no reboots or downtime.
My specs which i got there it was about 1.460€ i had most of the parts at my old PC already so it was just upgrading.
I mean with the "antec bla bla bla.." regular ATX power supplies
All of them is a piece of shit! But parts and build it by your own! :D
Quote from: Dr_dog on March 26, 2012, 13:54
PSU i was talking about was like this
(http://www.darklab.rutgers.edu/MERCURY/t15/pe2850dell/td06-Ps-09_500px.jpg)
Thats for U2 server though but you understand the point on it. If you break it, you take new one from shelf and stick that in and no reboots or downtime.
My specs which i got there it was about 1.460€ i had most of the parts at my old PC already so it was just upgrading.
I mean with the "antec bla bla bla.." regular ATX power supplies
hax... i found the picture of the back side of IBM x3100
(http://i.imgur.com/StR7h.jpg)
you think its a regular ATX power supply?
Quote from: DJ_Smashon on March 26, 2012, 16:33
All of them is a piece of shit! But parts and build it by your own! :D
yea... i know these comps are servers... but i could save my budget... :D
Thats ATX PSU. its not rackmount or hot swap. I hope the "server" you going to buy isnt using SCSI or your stuck with those 72.3GB hard drives.
Also its probably just workstation. Kinda wondered the IO too theres no sound I/O and only few USB. I suggest to get a cheap sound card too. Expecting its IBM it will sound like vacuum cleaner probably. Or thats what their rackmount servers are like bloody turbines. And if thats really a server it probably is pretty loud
Quote from: Dr_dog on March 27, 2012, 15:28
Thats ATX PSU. its not rackmount or hot swap. I hope the "server" you going to buy isnt using SCSI or your stuck with those 72.3GB hard drives.
Also its probably just workstation. Kinda wondered the IO too theres no sound I/O and only few USB. I suggest to get a cheap sound card too. Expecting its IBM it will sound like vacuum cleaner probably. Or thats what their rackmount servers are like bloody turbines. And if thats really a server it probably is pretty loud
yea... it's a "single cpu tower server", and you think, if i attach a gtx550ti to it will it compatible? if YDK ill ask the CS again...
How much are you looking to spend? Me and some friends can find some parts to build if you like..
Quote from: RaceRX on March 28, 2012, 15:34
How much are you looking to spend? Me and some friends can find some parts to build if you like..
hmmm... looks like 1,091.11 USD or 822.279 EUR, i've ask the sales about the video card compatibility
Quote from: TheDumbledore on March 28, 2012, 11:42
Quote from: Dr_dog on March 27, 2012, 15:28
Thats ATX PSU. its not rackmount or hot swap. I hope the "server" you going to buy isnt using SCSI or your stuck with those 72.3GB hard drives.
Also its probably just workstation. Kinda wondered the IO too theres no sound I/O and only few USB. I suggest to get a cheap sound card too. Expecting its IBM it will sound like vacuum cleaner probably. Or thats what their rackmount servers are like bloody turbines. And if thats really a server it probably is pretty loud
yea... it's a "single cpu tower server", and you think, if i attach a gtx550ti to it will it compatible? if YDK ill ask the CS again...
if they reply yes, i can, so i have to spend 927.441 USD or 698.714 EUR for the for the server and 182.432 USD or 137.770 EUR for the video card, i use www.xe.com to convert the currencies... :D now i'm waiting for the reply from the sales :)
it btw uses probably only PCI-X slots (Server boards only)
so you probably wont even find PCI-E 16x
Thats alot of money. Why are you looking at these cheaper computers? Or am i misreading your post.. I paid 640 for my build.. Besides the HDD. i had that.
Quote from: Dr_dog on March 30, 2012, 05:22
it btw uses probably only PCI-X slots (Server boards only)
so you probably wont even find PCI-E 16x
the spec said Slot provided 3 x PCI-E x16
Quote from: RaceRX on March 30, 2012, 07:04
Thats alot of money. Why are you looking at these cheaper computers? Or am i misreading your post.. I paid 640 for my build.. Besides the HDD. i had that.
race... you said "Besides the HDD", how much is the capacity of your hard drive? ill check the price here... :D if the overall price is more cheaper... ill choose that one :D
Its a 620gb. I'm too lazy to check ;p
Quote from: RaceRX on March 31, 2012, 07:03
Its a 620gb. I'm too lazy to check ;p
i saw joshy's post before http://www.forum.convoytrucking.net/index.php/topic,20986.0.html "Gaming pc build"
it's more cheaper than the IBM and some said at the topic its good enough for gaming... btw should i choose the spec like yours or joshy's plan?