Convoy Trucking

Please Vote! and Make sure to comment! I want to hear your feedback!

Wolf demanded something taken off the server which was cops using non cop cars could get fines. He made a post and got people to vote on it, and Mick listened and took it off.

Well I'm going to do that.

Old thread: http://www.forum.convoytrucking.net/index.php/topic,19170.0.html

I want more more people in a convoy, gets you more money. Why? Because it brings a large quantity of people in one convoy. I've been in convoys as large people as 40 people! There were lines of trucks just to load an unload!

So what I'm saying is make it to the more people that are in a convoy the more money you make. Mick you can decrease a little bit too! I just want the convoys back!

I made a vote on my other thread which got locked and i got 28 peopel approved 1 person said no and 2 said maybe that says a lot..

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You guys remember the 30 people plus convoys, in the good old days? Those were the best days ever. The biggest convoy I've been in was the one with marccc it had 40 people plus, and it was amazing. You would have huge lines of trucks waiting to get into a loading point to make that cash. This server is called convoy trucking for a reason. in 2010 I would get up in the mornings around 8:00 am and get on this server. the first thing i would do was, /convoy. I would pick the convoy with the most people. Why? It was more fun, plus it was more money. Still even now when i get on i look for the biggest convoy and its so rare and hard to even find one or form one. Mick I know you had your reasons, but seriously i was so pissed when you took this off the server. I didn't care much for trading ect, I came on this server for the convoys! Its what made the server so fun for everyone!

Now how do we bring it back?

Make it more people in the convoy, makes it more cash. That is how it was before. Sadly that's the only way that would really bring it all back. I'm sure there's other ways but you bring back this back. But lets face it the server isn't really that fun for a lot of people anymore.  The big convoys were what made this server a triumph!

So what I'm asking is the more people in a convoy the more money you make, put it how it was back in the summer of 2010!

Dont tell me to make an event and host a big convoy, thats just bs. I want to get on the server and see the big kahuna, the convoy!

Look I just want it back to the way it was...

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Questions from the thread:

QuoteI dont think i ever remember this feature, maybe when I just started (Jan /Feb 2011), was it removed before then?
It rings a bell though..

I believe it was taken out around the october 2010.

Quotewhat currently restricts you fom having more people in a convoy?? I mean whats preventing people from having huge convoys is, its a pain in the ass to control 15 people from loading all at once because the "newer" people dont know how to do it properly..

What look at what Lindsey said. What she said is true. If you make the same as a 2-5 person convoy. Why have a big convoy? Thats why I want Mick to put it back to the old way which was more people in a convoy = more cash. Ethan, its not hard to control buddy. Why? Because back than you could make up to 35k a mission, and the heights were high, so people would behave! The leader in the convoy would say "1 BY 1 OR REMOVED" and people would listen. I was one of those newer people too, and i listened. I can control a large convoy and not rage at them.

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Mick what makes this server unique is that we can suggest stuff.

I'm not suggesting this, I'm calling for a vote to bring it back.

you are banned but i think you are right here why have a convoy in 2 players where is the fun in that 2 player less money 10 players more money. if you see on the server today you have 10 convoys with 2 players ? yes same money as 1 convoy with 20 players but we dont get less accidents at all and is a convoy 2 players?

 

Quote from: zacco on February 19, 2012, 16:14
you are banned but i think you are right here why have a convoy in 2 players where is the fun in that 2 player less money 10 players more money. if you see on the server today you have 10 convoys with 2 players ? yes same money as 1 convoy with 20 players but we dont get less accidents at all and is a convoy 2 players?

Zacco, I think I understand what you say. But you were here when we had those big convoys. Sure we had crashes, and most of them came from the trains, when idiots would go on the train tracks. I'm sure we can prevent accidents. I get really bored on this server because really Its not as fun as it was before... If this were to come back I would love it. So zacco do I have your support?

I approve, I miss this so much.

all i can say yes but we have to see what mick have to say to this and i cant remember why he did change it in the first time.

Quote from: zacco on February 19, 2012, 18:06
all i can say yes but we have to see what mick have to say to this and i cant remember why he did change it in the first time.

good, I'm glad I have your support we need more people to know about this!

Quote08 September 2010

   Maximum number of players in convoy is set to 10 to decrease lag and traffic jams
   

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12 September 2010

    Removed convoy limit
    Set convoy bonus to 30% (fixed for any number of trucks in convoy)

That was the history of the Convoy. Now with SAMP being more upgraded there isn't really that much lagg as there was before. And the traffic jams were what made the server super realistic, I'm sure there wont be as much as there was before.
   

Yea i support this. Its convoy trucking after all and all those newer people just never experienced what one of the magic convoy trucking things is/was.

Payouts dont have to be outragious, but i agree that increase or another way to encourage big convoys is cool and is one of the special points of the server:)

I just realised, i rather complete 1 mission with 40 players and get 30k in ~30 minutes, than doing 3 missions and driving alone of with 1 other player. People that want to do small convoys still can add passwords on their convoys:P

Here are some pictures of the big convoys for those who never experienced this.

(http://i.imgur.com/WvMzP.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/rZhd7.jpg)

These are only small ones, that I found on the old forum.

If any of you have pictures like these, feel free to share.

I agree with Geckco, but is anyone willing to host (with mick's permission) that other server with an old version of CVT? he had it running with 10 slots and I think that would be awesome to. But mick had it you couldn't transfer your profile over so you start over, I would love that!

Driving IN CONVOY was the FUN of this server, but since we have no good convoys anymore the totally fun is gone.

Come on guys I want to see more support!

Quote from: zacco on February 19, 2012, 18:06
all i can say yes but we have to see what mick have to say to this and i cant remember why he did change it in the first time.

If I change it back, there will be one 100 player convoy, each member will get $100.000 per mission, everyone would be rich and there would be no point whatsoever doing any other missions.

Geckco, if you want to make a big convoy, I'm not stopping you. If you want to play on people's greed, you can pay them yourself $10k per mission for participating in your convoy, or whatever you want.

Maybe nobody besides you wants big convoys? If they do, why don't you make a big convoy together?

Quote from: mick88 on February 19, 2012, 19:43

Quote from: zacco on February 19, 2012, 18:06
all i can say yes but we have to see what mick have to say to this and i cant remember why he did change it in the first time.

If I change it back, there will be one 100 player convoy, each member will get $100.000 per mission, everyone would be rich and there would be no point whatsoever doing any other missions.

Geckco, if you want to make a big convoy, I'm not stopping you. If you want to play on people's greed, you can pay them yourself $10k per mission for participating in your convoy, or whatever you want.

Maybe nobody besides you wants big convoys? If they do, why don't you make a big convoy together?

Why? Because no one is going to waste that much time on a big convoy for no reason, just to make the same amount of money in a 2 person convoy. I'm not the only one who wants this both of your admins support me on this and so does your staff. I have 19 people who want it and 1 who opposes, and on my other thread it was 31 people 1 no and 2 maybe. Mick you can lower the money you make on it too! And plus about what you said about 100k a convoy, you can raise the price on everything to prevent this economy from going to the shitter. Mick, just give it a try once more and see what happens from there. How about you commence a vote so that people will see it, and from there the community picks. I just want this back, and so do many other old veterans of this server.

Quote from: mick88 on February 19, 2012, 19:43
If I change it back, there will be one 100 player convoy, each member will get $100.000 per mission, everyone would be rich and there would be no point whatsoever doing any other missions.

no1 cares about money then, u can add even $100 per every new convoy member and will be cool, just do sth with it..

Quote from: mick88 on February 19, 2012, 19:43
If I change it back, there will be one 100 player convoy, each member will get $100.000 per mission, everyone would be rich and there would be no point whatsoever doing any other missions.

I know this is my first post in this thread but I do love big convoys, yet I hate REALLY big ones. Maybe we could make a limit, once a convoy reaches 25-30 players, you stop getting bonuses. 

Or you put a limit of players in convoy. Max 20 maybe?

no limit....

well limits as 20 max would be ok. and just a small bonus for each truck in your convoy. something like 100$ perhaps so then 20*150$ will be a 3000 convoy bonus when its a 20 players convoy at max.

Sure with the current system we can do big convoys, but having a payment based on how big the convoy is is more stimulating to do it:) and no it doesnt have to be very very much. 100.000 per mission would be to sick. 25k-30k perhaps.:)

ok i understand what mick is saying and it is nothing that says we cant go in a big convoy!

but in the same time think back!

when we was joining the server first thing you did was /convoy to see any big convoy to join and most players that did join did also stay in the same convoy all night. and if i remember right most of the players did accept "noobs" and did help them to get it right from the start.

it is not all about the money but what is a convoy in 2 players? fast ok but it is not a convoy you need more trucks to get a convoy. with /lead on you get a clean convoy no racing to the unload point less ramming. so maby a good idea to get some change.

but like i did say before i cant remember why it was changed probable some good reason

Quote from: zacco on February 19, 2012, 21:19
ok i understand what mick is saying and it is nothing that says we cant go in a big convoy!

but in the same time think back!

when we was joining the server first thing you did was /convoy to see any big convoy to join and most players that did join did also stay in the same convoy all night. and if i remember right most of the players did accept "noobs" and did help them to get it right from the start.

it is not all about the money but what is a convoy in 2 players? fast ok but it is not a convoy you need more trucks to get a convoy. with /lead on you get a clean convoy no racing to the unload point less ramming. so maby a good idea to get some change.

OMFG Zacco! Well said! This is what I've been talking about, this is what I want also! It was like that before and I love it. We just need Mick to bring it back

I was ledaer of bigger convoy too .. it's little bit slower but it's more funny then convoy with 1 one player :S
OK mick screw us with his post .. but how was in that OLD TIMES? people said there was 60 k missions? 60k is alot ,we will be happy with 40k ! :)

BIG CONVOYS !!!!!

Well Mick what would make you bring it back?

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reasons:

-you all can do big convoys but i can't do them, i lagg or get bugged. So it would be unfair for me if i get less money just because i can't do long convoys.

-The server's traffic will not be even. All players in server would be at one particular place, this would make other locations boring (because no one will be there), the cops would be near big convoys as well due to fines traffic.

- As a result more accidents will occur.

hence,
CVT has an awesome fair system for every little thing, by doing this, the system would be screwed and unfair system would establish.

Viky, have you ever witnessed big convoys? Have you? Its not like that. If you lag thats your problem. I'm playing on a laptop from 2003 buddy, and i dont lagg.

Quote from: mick88 on February 19, 2012, 19:43

Quote from: zacco on February 19, 2012, 18:06
all i can say yes but we have to see what mick have to say to this and i cant remember why he did change it in the first time.

If I change it back, there will be one 100 player convoy, each member will get $100.000 per mission, everyone would be rich and there would be no point whatsoever doing any other missions.

Geckco, if you want to make a big convoy, I'm not stopping you. If you want to play on people's greed, you can pay them yourself $10k per mission for participating in your convoy, or whatever you want.

Maybe nobody besides you wants big convoys? If they do, why don't you make a big convoy together?

Ok, lets say you are in a 100 trucks convoy. You need to wait for all 100 people to load (including not so skilled and new players), then, you need to drive to unload, and finally, to wait for 100 people to unload (same as for loading, if not worse).


Why would you do that, when you can just do some solo hauls, or some hauls in a 2 people convoy, and make almost as much money? Its not about the money...

Sveki I doubt there will ever be a 100 person convoy.... And some people do it for the money. I dont think you've ever experienced being a large group while trucking. Its super fun.

Quote from: Jedi_Italian on February 19, 2012, 22:48
btw in the end...the reason why there aren't nomore big convoys is due at the achievements system, before when there wasn't, people was doing only artic because paid good and was the main work of server, and not dumper, coach, cement. With the beginning of achievements, people were encuraged to do all the other missions for unlock money and reach the 13/13 wich in my mind, represent the end of this game.

to-tally agreed!

I HAVE AN IDEA FROM SEVERAL THINGS I'VE READ HERE

Geckco's idea, but as Mick said people would get like 100k each mission, so what do we do? Simple.
Once a convoy reaches 25 or 30 truckers, the amount of bonus reaches its maximum. So basically if there's 30+ people in the convoy, even if it's 100, there will be a really nice bonus, but not as big as Mick said (100k etc)

What do you think?

Quote from: iFrost[Tiger] on February 20, 2012, 00:45
I HAVE AN IDEA FROM SEVERAL THINGS I'VE READ HERE

Geckco's idea, but as Mick said people would get like 100k each mission, so what do we do? Simple.
Once a convoy reaches 25 or 30 truckers, the amount of bonus reaches its maximum. So basically if there's 30+ people in the convoy, even if it's 100, there will be a really nice bonus, but not as big as Mick said (100k etc)

What do you think?

nice i like it :D

so there is a limit to how many people you can have in a convoy now.. I guees I never noticed since noone wants to convoy with me in the first place.. what is the current limit now? all I remember is the couple times clubs would host events with "larger" convoys and it was fun as hell, why not start there?

and +100000000 to this

Quote from: Ethan on February 20, 2012, 01:15
so there is a limit to how many people you can have in a convoy now.. I guees I never noticed since noone wants to convoy with me in the first place.. what is the current limit now? all I remember is the couple times clubs would host events with "larger" convoys and it was fun as hell, why not start there?

and +100000000 to this

Look at what zacco said. He said he would log on the server and the first thing he would do was /convoy and there would be a 20 person up convoy. I did the same tthing too. I wanna get on everyday on CVT and be able to relive that.

it was a generic question about the limit.. I know, I want to have a convoy too, next time I get on, I will do /convoy but usually noones joins

Quote from: Ethan on February 20, 2012, 01:24
it was a generic question about the limit.. I know, I want to have a convoy too, next time I get on, I will do /convoy but usually noones joins

I want mick to give me his thoughts on this badly..

iFrost has a great solution.

But imo mick, it would take about 30 minutes just to get everyone loaded in a 100 person convoy, plus there are only 100 slots, and people leave and come every minute...so that's not ever going to happen either.

Personally...mick has a point. Convoys are still there, people just seem to be doing something else, however if money was an incentive people wouldn't notice that actually they aren't getting a massive increase in money because of the new people they are playing with and the fun they are having.

There is nothing like seeing 20 trucks all driving down the highway. And unfortunatly, humans are only really ever tempted fully by greed, and lust.

Quote from: iFrost[Tiger] on February 20, 2012, 00:45
I HAVE AN IDEA FROM SEVERAL THINGS I'VE READ HERE

Geckco's idea, but as Mick said people would get like 100k each mission, so what do we do? Simple.
Once a convoy reaches 25 or 30 truckers, the amount of bonus reaches its maximum. So basically if there's 30+ people in the convoy, even if it's 100, there will be a really nice bonus, but not as big as Mick said (100k etc)

What do you think?

thats basicly what i said before lol

wow I like this vote :D 30-5-2

Please keep on voting!

It's funny how Geckco asks for more money saying that it's not about the money.

By the way, I can see how changing convoy bonus from 25% to $100 per player would cause uproar from other players. You'd need 10 players in your convoy for $1.000 bonus. And oh, the "Join my convoy for most $$$" spam would commence again. I think i've seen it somewhere... oh right, that's why trading houses and vehicles was disabled.

Ive only ever experienced 30+ player convoys once or twice, back when i was a Respected Trucker, and i would like to experience again. Voted Yes.

Quote from: TheSandman on February 20, 2012, 08:38
Ive only ever experienced 30+ player convoys once or twice, back when i was a Respected Trucker, and i would like to experience again...


My idea: why dont we start making convoy events when everyone comes on and does a convoy?

Mick go look at my bank account in game. I could care less for the money. The only way we will get this back would be by increasin the more people join in a convoy the more money you get. Maybe theres another way, the reason im asking that is because thats what we had before and it was never bad. Mick pleasse try to work with us on this. Practically most of your staff agrees, and so do other people. This is not a greed thing. For the record no one spammed "join me for more money" in 2010, i dont see this happening now, because if there is a big convoy going around people will just join it and be quiet. To prevent an uproar you can set it to a reasonable price OR make convoy missions pay more when in a 10+ up person convoy, and when you hit the 20person mark it increases and keep on going for every 10 people. Look Mick, I'm trying to coperate. Every negative thing you throw out me I have a solution for it. Theres a way for everything. Can you please atleast give some postitive input?

Quote from: Kenworth[AUS] on February 20, 2012, 08:58

Quote from: TheSandman on February 20, 2012, 08:38
Ive only ever experienced 30+ player convoys once or twice, back when i was a Respected Trucker, and i would like to experience again...


My idea: why dont we start making convoy events when everyone comes on and does a convoy?

No. Why?

Because you've never experienced what the real feeling is. Its pointless doing an event that big and waste time  when you could hold a small one for the same amount of money. Plus I want to get on the server and do /convoy and see the main big convoy happening with a lot of people and join it whenever I want. Not make a "once a month event"

well making an event with 20 people in a convoy may be more convinient for people so you know there are going to be a certain number of people in the convoy rather then getting on, doing /start convoy and hoping that someone acknowledges your willingness to convoy with people...

Quote from: Geckco on February 20, 2012, 12:28
Every negative thing you throw out me I have a solution for it.

No, my arguments still stand. There will be no increase in convoy bonus.

Quote from: mick88 on February 20, 2012, 14:44

Quote from: Geckco on February 20, 2012, 12:28
Every negative thing you throw out me I have a solution for it.

No, my arguments still stand. There will be no increase in convoy bonus.

compromise with me here. Can you somehow make it a way to increase more people in a convoy?

Not to be a buzzkill or anything, but considering Mick's multiple answers here, I think this is now a dead run. Leave it.

Quote from: Supra on February 20, 2012, 15:02
Not to be a buzzkill or anything, but considering Mick's multiple answers here, I think this is now a dead run. Leave it.

Well Mick is a human isn't he? He can change his opinion on this if we find a really good solution.

meh, out of 36 people that voted, 46 want it.

Sure, mick has every right to say no and can, noone has to like it.

I disagree with his stance, and the way he curbs everything, the players are getting less and less say and choice in how and what they choose to do on the server (within the rules) It seems that a minority of immature / rule breakers are influencing his choices on matters like our houses actually being ours, and not just a money sink.

Seriously, you buy a house and automatically lose half of it...it's a bit lame.

Quote from: Lindsey on February 20, 2012, 16:04
meh, out of 36 people that voted, 46 want it.

Sure, mick has every right to say no and can, noone has to like it.

I disagree with his stance, and the way he curbs everything, the players are getting less and less say and choice in how and what they choose to do on the server (within the rules) It seems that a minority of immature / rule breakers are influencing his choices on matters like our houses actually being ours, and not just a money sink.

Seriously, you buy a house and automatically lose half of it...it's a bit lame.

Other way around Lindsey =P 46 people voted 36 want it. I was going to say that too Lindsey. Mick its what the players want, and we want that. The poll shows it man. My poll is doing better than wolf when he made the:, Police should be able to collect fines using civillian vehicles topic.

Yes
    25 (41.7%)
No
    35 (58.3%)

that was wolfs poll. And you give it to him mick. I have a better vote on mine, and your not even compromising here.

Quote from: Geckco on February 20, 2012, 14:52

Quote from: mick88 on February 20, 2012, 14:44

Quote from: Geckco on February 20, 2012, 12:28
Every negative thing you throw out me I have a solution for it.

No, my arguments still stand. There will be no increase in convoy bonus.

compromise with me here. Can you somehow make it a way to increase more people in a convoy?

Suggest something then.
I may have some idea in mind, but it wouln't be added until version 2.5 since college started again and I've about finished making updates until summer.

How about this, you increase it to the way it was before, making people "rich" and you make house prices more expensive or you bring house auctions back? idk I was thinking about that

+1       

i think the first option geckco, big payment and high house prices.....let's be serious everyone likes to see lots of money in theyr bank xD

Ok this just crossed my mind and could be a huge thinghy to script/test ect, but i think its worth it.
Since mick said he is not gonna change the convoy bonus payouts i thought of something similair bur still different.


The convoy experience system.


Each time u finish a mission in convoy u will receive the normal score, but in /stats it will be also stated as : Convoy experience
Thats the basics:) now the other stuff to encourage bigger convoys.


My idea: There will be thresholds with certain amount of mission in convoy  done( the experience)and receive special score aka experience for it. Those players with more experience earn a little bit more in the total payout. But the extra pay outs based on experience are divided in ranks and with reasonable maxinum levels.

details; So as stated above, Players can earn more, but have to do convoys for it. This will stimulate solo drivers to do convoys. But this does not stimulate big convoys since it still works with just 2. So here comes the finishing touch:


Convoy experience ( in /stats screen )Based on the amount of players in ur convoy. Do missions with a bigger conovy = more experience per mission
2-5  = low experience per mission gained: Example: 5
6-12= Medium experience per mission gained: Example 15
13- 20 = high experience per mission gained: Example 25
21+ = Extreme experience per mission gained : Example 50


Experience thresholds for the payouts:
500 experience = unlock $150 bonus
1000 experience= unlock $300 bonus
2000 experience = unlock $600 bonus
5000 experience = unlock $1200 bonus


Let me awnser this for ya mick: Mick said, no increase in payouts based on players in convoys. Well with this system players earn more in the total payout based on their experience with convoys. You can see the extra/higher payout as : salary ( In real life, older, more experienced players do get paid out more just for their know-how/age )


Short version: The bonusses above can be unlocked when gaining experience by doing works in a convoy. Completing missions with a bigger convoy = more experience at once.
Example:
100 missions done in a convoy with 2-6 players = 100 *5( experience per mission)= 500 < unlock first bonus level.
So from now of on each mission wheter single or in convoy will be have a little higher payout due to the fact u worked in convoys and u earn a little more for that experience. To stimulate bigger convoys u can complete a mission in a bigger convoy and get higher amount of experience.




So this is my idea, and i think this or a similair/edited version of this system will encourage others to do more missions in a convoy and even more to create a big convoy. After all its convoy trucking right? i think we should stimulate everything possible to have those big convoys back in town.


Konali



PS. we have some great scripters on this server, i think they could help u with some basic stuff as creating levels etc.
Storm94
Beelzeboss
etc etc:) 

Quote from: TwiXXXie on February 20, 2012, 19:01
i think the first option geckco, big payment and high house prices.....let's be serious everyone likes to see lots of money in theyr bank xD

That would take some work, I guess. Not only house prices has to go up, also all services, payment on ALL missions, and all vehicle prices..

holy fuck konali! i gave u a cookie. I really like konali's idea

Also i'm sorry I have to ask, what happened to everyone did they get butthurt when someone told them to "fuck off"? I mean really you can't even joke around with your friends without being shown the /rules.

Quote from: Lindsey on February 20, 2012, 16:04
meh, out of 36 people that voted, 46 want it.

Sure, mick has every right to say no and can, noone has to like it.

I disagree with his stance, and the way he curbs everything, the players are getting less and less say and choice in how and what they choose to do on the server (within the rules) It seems that a minority of immature / rule breakers are influencing his choices on matters like our houses actually being ours, and not just a money sink.

Seriously, you buy a house and automatically lose half of it...it's a bit lame.

Welcome to the world of it's his sandbox, his toys.

It's not a democracy people, he runs the show.

You have 2 choices , play or /quit if his decisions really get you that pissed.

/locktopic?

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Welcome to the world of it's his sandbox, his toys.

It's not a democracy people, he runs the show.

You have 2 choices , play or /quit if his decisions really get you that pissed.

/locktopic?

Yes but without us there is no "sandbox". Meaning without the people who play this server, the server is nothing. It's what the players want.

Oh and I will not lock the topic. You can leave.

Quote from: Brian_William on February 20, 2012, 22:04

Quote from: Lindsey on February 20, 2012, 16:04
meh, out of 36 people that voted, 46 want it.

Sure, mick has every right to say no and can, noone has to like it.

I disagree with his stance, and the way he curbs everything, the players are getting less and less say and choice in how and what they choose to do on the server (within the rules) It seems that a minority of immature / rule breakers are influencing his choices on matters like our houses actually being ours, and not just a money sink.

Seriously, you buy a house and automatically lose half of it...it's a bit lame.

Welcome to the world of it's his sandbox, his toys.

It's not a democracy people, he runs the show.

You have 2 choices , play or /quit if his decisions really get you that pissed.

/locktopic?

No?

Quote from: Konali on February 20, 2012, 19:08
Ok this just crossed my mind and could be a huge thinghy to script/test ect, but i think its worth it.
Since mick said he is not gonna change the convoy bonus payouts i thought of something similair bur still different.


The convoy experience system.


Each time u finish a mission in convoy u will receive the normal score, but in /stats it will be also stated as : Convoy experience
Thats the basics:) now the other stuff to encourage bigger convoys.


My idea: There will be thresholds with certain amount of mission in convoy  done( the experience)and receive special score aka experience for it. Those players with more experience earn a little bit more in the total payout. But the extra pay outs based on experience are divided in ranks and with reasonable maxinum levels.

details; So as stated above, Players can earn more, but have to do convoys for it. This will stimulate solo drivers to do convoys. But this does not stimulate big convoys since it still works with just 2. So here comes the finishing touch:


Convoy experience ( in /stats screen )Based on the amount of players in ur convoy. Do missions with a bigger conovy = more experience per mission
2-5  = low experience per mission gained: Example: 5
6-12= Medium experience per mission gained: Example 15
13- 20 = high experience per mission gained: Example 25
21+ = Extreme experience per mission gained : Example 50


Experience thresholds for the payouts:
500 experience = unlock $150 bonus
1000 experience= unlock $300 bonus
2000 experience = unlock $600 bonus
5000 experience = unlock $1200 bonus


Let me awnser this for ya mick: Mick said, no increase in payouts based on players in convoys. Well with this system players earn more in the total payout based on their experience with convoys. You can see the extra/higher payout as : salary ( In real life, older, more experienced players do get paid out more just for their know-how/age )


Short version: The bonusses above can be unlocked when gaining experience by doing works in a convoy. Completing missions with a bigger convoy = more experience at once.
Example:
100 missions done in a convoy with 2-6 players = 100 *5( experience per mission)= 500 < unlock first bonus level.
So from now of on each mission wheter single or in convoy will be have a little higher payout due to the fact u worked in convoys and u earn a little more for that experience. To stimulate bigger convoys u can complete a mission in a bigger convoy and get higher amount of experience.




So this is my idea, and i think this or a similair/edited version of this system will encourage others to do more missions in a convoy and even more to create a big convoy. After all its convoy trucking right? i think we should stimulate everything possible to have those big convoys back in town.


Konali



PS. we have some great scripters on this server, i think they could help u with some basic stuff as creating levels etc.
Storm94
Beelzeboss
etc etc:)

+1.000.000 , this is the best idea , come one mick you really need to add this , this is really good!

sad to say it but there are thousands of samp players who checkout CVT and other servers each month/year so in the end the owner dictates how his sandbox is run and thats that.

Like it or not, this is no democracy, keep crying, Mick has spoken.

Quote from: Konali on February 20, 2012, 19:08
Ok this just crossed my mind and could be a huge thinghy to script/test ect, but i think its worth it.
Since mick said he is not gonna change the convoy bonus payouts i thought of something similair bur still different.


The convoy experience system.


Each time u finish a mission in convoy u will receive the normal score, but in /stats it will be also stated as : Convoy experience
Thats the basics:) now the other stuff to encourage bigger convoys.


My idea: There will be thresholds with certain amount of mission in convoy  done( the experience)and receive special score aka experience for it. Those players with more experience earn a little bit more in the total payout. But the extra pay outs based on experience are divided in ranks and with reasonable maxinum levels.

details; So as stated above, Players can earn more, but have to do convoys for it. This will stimulate solo drivers to do convoys. But this does not stimulate big convoys since it still works with just 2. So here comes the finishing touch:


Convoy experience ( in /stats screen )Based on the amount of players in ur convoy. Do missions with a bigger conovy = more experience per mission
2-5  = low experience per mission gained: Example: 5
6-12= Medium experience per mission gained: Example 15
13- 20 = high experience per mission gained: Example 25
21+ = Extreme experience per mission gained : Example 50


Experience thresholds for the payouts:
500 experience = unlock $150 bonus
1000 experience= unlock $300 bonus
2000 experience = unlock $600 bonus
5000 experience = unlock $1200 bonus


Let me awnser this for ya mick: Mick said, no increase in payouts based on players in convoys. Well with this system players earn more in the total payout based on their experience with convoys. You can see the extra/higher payout as : salary ( In real life, older, more experienced players do get paid out more just for their know-how/age )


Short version: The bonusses above can be unlocked when gaining experience by doing works in a convoy. Completing missions with a bigger convoy = more experience at once.
Example:
100 missions done in a convoy with 2-6 players = 100 *5( experience per mission)= 500 < unlock first bonus level.
So from now of on each mission wheter single or in convoy will be have a little higher payout due to the fact u worked in convoys and u earn a little more for that experience. To stimulate bigger convoys u can complete a mission in a bigger convoy and get higher amount of experience.




So this is my idea, and i think this or a similair/edited version of this system will encourage others to do more missions in a convoy and even more to create a big convoy. After all its convoy trucking right? i think we should stimulate everything possible to have those big convoys back in town.


Konali



PS. we have some great scripters on this server, i think they could help u with some basic stuff as creating levels etc.
Storm94
Beelzeboss
etc etc:)

first off <3 Konali for mentioning me.

I think that this is a great idea. It allows for a bit of extra cash. It seems simple enough to script, and would encourage people to CONVOY, as the server name suggests.

I do think it might need some tweaking as far as rewards go, to match the server economy, and maybe more than just 4 levels, but say unlimited levels with a certain equation based on the XP for the payout, and you need more XP between levels to level up (think Pokemon).

Ooh, Pokemon made me think of something. At certain levels, you learn new moves, well, on CVT, every time you level up, there is a random (say 5% or whatever) chance that you get extra money on top of the bonus already in place.

Im rambling at this point, but I really like this, and Mick, if you ever need help, Ive been told I'm a decent scripter, and I would be more than happy to contribute.

Quote from: Storm94 on February 20, 2012, 22:56

Quote from: Konali on February 20, 2012, 19:08
Ok this just crossed my mind and could be a huge thinghy to script/test ect, but i think its worth it.
Since mick said he is not gonna change the convoy bonus payouts i thought of something similair bur still different.


The convoy experience system.


Each time u finish a mission in convoy u will receive the normal score, but in /stats it will be also stated as : Convoy experience
Thats the basics:) now the other stuff to encourage bigger convoys.


My idea: There will be thresholds with certain amount of mission in convoy  done( the experience)and receive special score aka experience for it. Those players with more experience earn a little bit more in the total payout. But the extra pay outs based on experience are divided in ranks and with reasonable maxinum levels.

details; So as stated above, Players can earn more, but have to do convoys for it. This will stimulate solo drivers to do convoys. But this does not stimulate big convoys since it still works with just 2. So here comes the finishing touch:


Convoy experience ( in /stats screen )Based on the amount of players in ur convoy. Do missions with a bigger conovy = more experience per mission
2-5  = low experience per mission gained: Example: 5
6-12= Medium experience per mission gained: Example 15
13- 20 = high experience per mission gained: Example 25
21+ = Extreme experience per mission gained : Example 50


Experience thresholds for the payouts:
500 experience = unlock $150 bonus
1000 experience= unlock $300 bonus
2000 experience = unlock $600 bonus
5000 experience = unlock $1200 bonus


Let me awnser this for ya mick: Mick said, no increase in payouts based on players in convoys. Well with this system players earn more in the total payout based on their experience with convoys. You can see the extra/higher payout as : salary ( In real life, older, more experienced players do get paid out more just for their know-how/age )


Short version: The bonusses above can be unlocked when gaining experience by doing works in a convoy. Completing missions with a bigger convoy = more experience at once.
Example:
100 missions done in a convoy with 2-6 players = 100 *5( experience per mission)= 500 < unlock first bonus level.
So from now of on each mission wheter single or in convoy will be have a little higher payout due to the fact u worked in convoys and u earn a little more for that experience. To stimulate bigger convoys u can complete a mission in a bigger convoy and get higher amount of experience.




So this is my idea, and i think this or a similair/edited version of this system will encourage others to do more missions in a convoy and even more to create a big convoy. After all its convoy trucking right? i think we should stimulate everything possible to have those big convoys back in town.


Konali



PS. we have some great scripters on this server, i think they could help u with some basic stuff as creating levels etc.
Storm94
Beelzeboss
etc etc:)

first off <3 Konali for mentioning me.

I think that this is a great idea. It allows for a bit of extra cash. It seems simple enough to script, and would encourage people to CONVOY, as the server name suggests.

I do think it might need some tweaking as far as rewards go, to match the server economy, and maybe more than just 4 levels, but say unlimited levels with a certain equation based on the XP for the payout, and you need more XP between levels to level up (think Pokemon).

Ooh, Pokemon made me think of something. At certain levels, you learn new moves, well, on CVT, every time you level up, there is a random (say 5% or whatever) chance that you get extra money on top of the bonus already in place.

Im rambling at this point, but I really like this, and Mick, if you ever need help, Ive been told I'm a decent scripter, and I would be more than happy to contribute.

Thanks Konali for mention me too, and as Storm said if you ever need help mick tell us, we can help you, not touching your gamemode because that will never pass, but with others things you need help we can help :)

Quote from: Brian_William on February 20, 2012, 22:04

Quote from: Lindsey on February 20, 2012, 16:04
meh, out of 36 people that voted, 46 want it.

Sure, mick has every right to say no and can, noone has to like it.

I disagree with his stance, and the way he curbs everything, the players are getting less and less say and choice in how and what they choose to do on the server (within the rules) It seems that a minority of immature / rule breakers are influencing his choices on matters like our houses actually being ours, and not just a money sink.

Seriously, you buy a house and automatically lose half of it...it's a bit lame.

Welcome to the world of it's his sandbox, his toys.

It's not a democracy people, he runs the show.

You have 2 choices , play or /quit if his decisions really get you that pissed.

/locktopic?

If you think ass licking the owner of CVT will get you anywhere everytime he says something you're very wrong.


Stand up for your choices and beliefs.


Konali, very good idea ;)

Not ass licking here that's other peoples jobs if i'm not mistaken ;) How's that coming for you? (to note: you started that jab first, hope you can accept it back)

But instead making a point that people are too thick skinned to realize how things are and it's a common entitlement belief by many young people that they hold some supreme power to change a private organizations operation.

Democracy does not extend to private groups/companies unless it's by choice. You have a choice to play on the server or not.

Give ideas that's fine, state what you think but at the end of the day you have to come to realization that you hold jack squat for power to effect decisions. It's a lesson once you grow up some more you'll discover in the real world, specifically the corporate one.

Unless you're some trust fund kiddy who is set for life on daddys fortune. Then you won't ever learn any real lessons in life and instead coast on dads coat tails and believe the world is your sandbox to change by throwing a tantrum.

Brian's right, this is my sandbox and my toys. I use my position to ensure that game is fair, and everyone enjoys playing here. To do that sometimes I have to make unpopular decisions, like not allowing to buy in-game money via paypal. Can you see me benefiting from these decisions? I do it only, because I believe it's fair for everyone.

Quote from: Brian_William on February 21, 2012, 07:09
Not ass licking here that's other peoples jobs if i'm not mistaken ;) How's that coming for you? (to note: you started that jab first, hope you can accept it back)

But instead making a point that people are too thick skinned to realize how things are and it's a common entitlement belief by many young people that they hold some supreme power to change a private organizations operation.

Democracy does not extend to private groups/companies unless it's by choice. You have a choice to play on the server or not.

Give ideas that's fine, state what you think but at the end of the day you have to come to realization that you hold jack squat for power to effect decisions. It's a lesson once you grow up some more you'll discover in the real world, specifically the corporate one.

Unless you're some trust fund kiddy who is set for life on daddys fortune. Then you won't ever learn any real lessons in life and instead coast on dads coat tails and believe the world is your sandbox to change by throwing a tantrum.

If i was ass licking, why am i blatently going against micks decision?


Yes mick you're right it's your toys and you're trying to keep it fair, but i think Konalis point has some substance to it. I'm also not interested in getting extra money, but the easy solution to tempt more people into a bigger convoy is bonuses for being in a convoy. The current bonus is bad for the time taken to set up a convoy, and load / unload, it's not worth the time.


Even if you simply did "10 people in convoy = equiv to overload bonus" "20 people in convoy = 2x overload bonus" With a rule of : you cannot start a mission until everyone has unloaded from the previous + you cannot unload until everyones loaded.


After 2x overload equiv bonus (20 players) there would be no further bonus, but if managed correctly it would still be fun and the newbies will still think it's better than soloing.

Quote from: mick88 on February 21, 2012, 07:20
Brian's right, this is my sandbox and my toys. I use my position to ensure that game is fair...
...I do it only, because I believe it's fair for everyone.

Not being funny here, but house campers getting the houses everyone wants due to the current system, and more experienced players getting no more of a reward than newbies doesn't come across as fair to me and most other players. Just saying.

Quote from: Traviizter on February 21, 2012, 11:01

Quote from: mick88 on February 21, 2012, 07:20
Brian's right, this is my sandbox and my toys. I use my position to ensure that game is fair...
...I do it only, because I believe it's fair for everyone.

Not being funny here, but house campers getting the houses everyone wants due to the current system, and more experienced players getting no more of a reward than newbies doesn't come across as fair to me and most other players. Just saying.

The houses are equally available for everyone, that's fair. Obviously not everyone can get the house they want, because there's only 1 of each house.

If you suggest that players who have played longer should get money money, then we have different definitions of fairness.

To be completely honest,  I dont really like Konali's idea. Starting with XP and stuff would just be a whole new system, beside achievements. People are often saying they miss CVT without the achievements, but this would be even worse. The game wouldn't be about fun, it would just be a big competition about having most XP or highest level.

Quote from: Supra on February 21, 2012, 13:17
To be completely honest,  I dont really like Konali's idea. Starting with XP and stuff would just be a whole new system, beside achievements. People are often saying they miss CVT without the achievements, but this would be even worse. The game wouldn't be about fun, it would just be a big competition about having most XP or highest level.

Look thats how u see it i respect that. But i clearly stated above that there are maximum levels to reach. So it will never be a real competition because if u decide to not do it, all u loose is maybe 1200$ max. Its just a system where i encourage big convoys. I made this for the fun. I dont know if u was here when we had the 30+ convoys well that was fun.. Mick said no increase in convoybonusses. So thats why i thought of a manner to increase payout by doing up experience in convoys and unlock max 4-5 levels.


Simpliest thing to do would be: increase convoy bonusses, well thats a no so for the people that want really the convoy fun back and its a convoytrucking server after all i say suggest something then. Its easy to say no to my idea, but dont say my idea would stop the fun. Cause then clearly u have never been around here in those magic big convoys.

Well okay, maybe I quite didnt understand all of your suggestion. I pictured like many levels and a whole new system where XP was in focus.
So I guess I'm sorry. The best would of course be to just simply put more bonus for more players, but as Mick dont want this, maybe yor solution is a working option.

You are right, I havent been here that long, and might not have experienced these "magic" convoys, but I have been in at least one 30+ players convoy, and there is no doubt it is epic. Its also how I met my best friend in here.

Dont get me wrong, I do want back the big convoys, but I dont want a huge change coming with it, having a totally new system(not saying yours have), I just simply want what was first suggested; More bonus for more players.

Quote from: Supra on February 21, 2012, 16:12
Well okay, maybe I quite didnt understand all of your suggestion. I pictured like many levels and a whole new system where XP was in focus.
So I guess I'm sorry. The best would of course be to just simply put more bonus for more players, but as Mick dont want this, maybe yor solution is a working option.

You are right, I havent been here that long, and might not have experienced these "magic" convoys, but I have been in at least one 30+ players convoy, and there is no doubt it is epic. Its also how I met my best friend in here.

Dont get me wrong, I do want back the big convoys, but I dont want a huge change coming with it, having a totally new system(not saying yours have), I just simply want what was first suggested; More bonus for more players.

Hey dude i wish that to xD but thats a no. Mick gave us a chance to come with good suggestions so i wrote mine. This way they can unlock bonusses by doing convoys, doing bigger convoys will unlock them faster :)

+1 Konali

I'm really with you, the only thing I don't want, is a new way of points and ranks. I just want money bonus, not a rank, or level.. But this is what Mick said no to, therefore we do have some complications with this idea brought up by Geckco.. :/

I mean, Im not in this for the money, I want the fun, but clearly not all thinks this way, and because of that we do need something wanting them to do this. They need to get a bonus for being in the convoy. And then money would definately be the best solution.. I dont have anything more to suggest, and I think its sad that Mick doesnt think this is  good solution.

Mickk we all have suggested something, and they are good too. You dont like any of ours. Could you give us an idea you might have? I just want the bigger convoys back. Idgaf about the money, thats why i liked konali's decison as an alternative. Can you just bring it back somehow?

Look first of all, we cant force mick to do something.
I think we all doing good by just suggesting stuff that would work well.
And im sure mick will read it because he was willing to listen if we just came with good suggestions. Also the vote has spoken and mick knows whats good for the server. I am sure mick will whats best for the server.
And hes in college so he just dont have much time at the moment to work on suggestions.

I want to hear micks idea on this.

Quote from: Konali on February 21, 2012, 20:36
Look first of all, we cant force mick to do something.
I think we all doing good by just suggesting stuff that would work well.
And im sure mick will read it because he was willing to listen if we just came with good suggestions. Also the vote has spoken and mick knows whats good for the server. I am sure mick will whats best for the server.
And hes in college so he just dont have much time at the moment to work on suggestions.

This is why it wouldnt be a bad idea for him to take on a couple of helpers when it comes to scripting. Even if its just code snippets, I think he could benefit from it.

Operation bring back the convoy without extra money :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb_oDJ-PYso
Succeeded.

Also, if that isn't enough proof :

[xfire]
http://www.xfire.com/video/54a3bc/
[/xfire]

Or

(http://i39.tinypic.com/t03lgm.png)
(http://i44.tinypic.com/25thr44.png)
(http://i40.tinypic.com/2i20xhz.png)

It's patience that gets you a big convoy geckco, not "come here i got lots of money cus big convoy"

Oh i know it possible. Bu i want it to e always like that. How it was before when all u did was get on the server and there was a big convoy already going around

Quote from: Storm94 on February 22, 2012, 02:31
This is why it wouldnt be a bad idea for him to take on a couple of helpers when it comes to scripting. Even if its just code snippets, I think he could benefit from it.

well the couple people I know who actually can script should simply apply to be a scripter and see if they can help Mick out.. helping him may have a better chance of some of these things getting added or changed... like beezl said in one of the posts, you can script the game-mode but yet you may be able to help him do other changes and have it be a less of a burden since he is the only scripter for this server

Quote from: Ethan on February 22, 2012, 13:45

Quote from: Storm94 on February 22, 2012, 02:31
This is why it wouldnt be a bad idea for him to take on a couple of helpers when it comes to scripting. Even if its just code snippets, I think he could benefit from it.

well the couple people I know who actually can script should simply apply to be a scripter and see if they can help Mick out.. helping him may have a better chance of some of these things getting added or changed... like beezl said in one of the posts, you can script the game-mode but yet you may be able to help him do other changes and have it be a less of a burden since he is the only scripter for this server

Having another scriptor means he will have access to CVT's script which could sell or result in making a duplicate server.
So mick88 should NOT trust anyone. People should give him scripts in admin PM instead, he can modify them and apply to server if he wants.

Secondly, another scriptor can ruin the gamemode as well. mick88 has made everything perfectly organized and coordinated in the server.

Quote from: Deff on February 22, 2012, 18:29

Quote from: Ethan on February 22, 2012, 13:45

Quote from: Storm94 on February 22, 2012, 02:31
This is why it wouldnt be a bad idea for him to take on a couple of helpers when it comes to scripting. Even if its just code snippets, I think he could benefit from it.

well the couple people I know who actually can script should simply apply to be a scripter and see if they can help Mick out.. helping him may have a better chance of some of these things getting added or changed... like beezl said in one of the posts, you can script the game-mode but yet you may be able to help him do other changes and have it be a less of a burden since he is the only scripter for this server

Having another scriptor means he will have access to CVT's script which could sell or result in making a duplicate server.
So mick88 should NOT trust anyone. People should give him scripts in admin PM instead, he can modify them and apply to server if he wants.

Secondly, another scriptor can ruin the gamemode as well. mick88 has made everything perfectly organized and coordinated in the server.

I mentioned other scripters because that would allow mick to have the basic stuff written for him. The basic idea was, help scripters could look at suggestions and when mick thinks that suggestion would work, the help scripters script the basic stuff. In my opinion they dont need acces to the gamemode because they would only help with starting up.  And some suggestions are simple to script so mick could just copy it from them.

Quote from: Konali on February 22, 2012, 19:21

Quote from: Deff on February 22, 2012, 18:29

Quote from: Ethan on February 22, 2012, 13:45

Quote from: Storm94 on February 22, 2012, 02:31
This is why it wouldnt be a bad idea for him to take on a couple of helpers when it comes to scripting. Even if its just code snippets, I think he could benefit from it.

well the couple people I know who actually can script should simply apply to be a scripter and see if they can help Mick out.. helping him may have a better chance of some of these things getting added or changed... like beezl said in one of the posts, you can script the game-mode but yet you may be able to help him do other changes and have it be a less of a burden since he is the only scripter for this server

Having another scriptor means he will have access to CVT's script which could sell or result in making a duplicate server.
So mick88 should NOT trust anyone. People should give him scripts in admin PM instead, he can modify them and apply to server if he wants.

Secondly, another scriptor can ruin the gamemode as well. mick88 has made everything perfectly organized and coordinated in the server.

I mentioned other scripters because that would allow mick to have the basic stuff written for him. The basic idea was, help scripters could look at suggestions and when mick thinks that suggestion would work, the help scripters script the basic stuff. In my opinion they dont need acces to the gamemode because they would only help with starting up.  And some suggestions are simple to script so mick could just copy it from them.

Exactly. I wouldnt want access to the main gamemode. That way, if something were to happen, my hands are clean. If he were to give access, he could make us sign a NDA (Non-Disclosure Agreement), that way if we do take anything, or tell anyone, he can take legal action against us.

BIG +1

Quote from: Storm94 on February 23, 2012, 02:30

Quote from: Konali on February 22, 2012, 19:21

Quote from: Deff on February 22, 2012, 18:29

Quote from: Ethan on February 22, 2012, 13:45

Quote from: Storm94 on February 22, 2012, 02:31
This is why it wouldnt be a bad idea for him to take on a couple of helpers when it comes to scripting. Even if its just code snippets, I think he could benefit from it.

well the couple people I know who actually can script should simply apply to be a scripter and see if they can help Mick out.. helping him may have a better chance of some of these things getting added or changed... like beezl said in one of the posts, you can script the game-mode but yet you may be able to help him do other changes and have it be a less of a burden since he is the only scripter for this server

Having another scriptor means he will have access to CVT's script which could sell or result in making a duplicate server.
So mick88 should NOT trust anyone. People should give him scripts in admin PM instead, he can modify them and apply to server if he wants.

Secondly, another scriptor can ruin the gamemode as well. mick88 has made everything perfectly organized and coordinated in the server.

I mentioned other scripters because that would allow mick to have the basic stuff written for him. The basic idea was, help scripters could look at suggestions and when mick thinks that suggestion would work, the help scripters script the basic stuff. In my opinion they dont need acces to the gamemode because they would only help with starting up.  And some suggestions are simple to script so mick could just copy it from them.

Exactly. I wouldnt want access to the main gamemode. That way, if something were to happen, my hands are clean. If he were to give access, he could make us sign a NDA (Non-Disclosure Agreement), that way if we do take anything, or tell anyone, he can take legal action against us.

Deff are you blind?

Quote from: DarkMatiand as Storm said if you ever need help mick tell us, we can help you, not touching your gamemode because that will never pass

We dont want the gamemode, just help making little scripts without get the gamemode. The gamemode is property of mick and always will be, we dont need it to help. Also if i wanted to make a trucking gamemode, I could have done it 12 months ago before join CVT, but i didnt because i think mick gamemode is the best one in SA:MP and you have no chance to get a better trucking server than him

Quote from: DarkMati on February 23, 2012, 14:01

Quote from: Storm94 on February 23, 2012, 02:30

Quote from: Konali on February 22, 2012, 19:21

Quote from: Deff on February 22, 2012, 18:29

Quote from: Ethan on February 22, 2012, 13:45

Quote from: Storm94 on February 22, 2012, 02:31
This is why it wouldnt be a bad idea for him to take on a couple of helpers when it comes to scripting. Even if its just code snippets, I think he could benefit from it.

well the couple people I know who actually can script should simply apply to be a scripter and see if they can help Mick out.. helping him may have a better chance of some of these things getting added or changed... like beezl said in one of the posts, you can script the game-mode but yet you may be able to help him do other changes and have it be a less of a burden since he is the only scripter for this server

Having another scriptor means he will have access to CVT's script which could sell or result in making a duplicate server.
So mick88 should NOT trust anyone. People should give him scripts in admin PM instead, he can modify them and apply to server if he wants.

Secondly, another scriptor can ruin the gamemode as well. mick88 has made everything perfectly organized and coordinated in the server.

I mentioned other scripters because that would allow mick to have the basic stuff written for him. The basic idea was, help scripters could look at suggestions and when mick thinks that suggestion would work, the help scripters script the basic stuff. In my opinion they dont need acces to the gamemode because they would only help with starting up.  And some suggestions are simple to script so mick could just copy it from them.

Exactly. I wouldnt want access to the main gamemode. That way, if something were to happen, my hands are clean. If he were to give access, he could make us sign a NDA (Non-Disclosure Agreement), that way if we do take anything, or tell anyone, he can take legal action against us.

Deff are you blind?

Quote from: DarkMatiand as Storm said if you ever need help mick tell us, we can help you, not touching your gamemode because that will never pass

Not completely blind, just got weak eyesight and night blindness :)


Back on topic:
If the scriptors wont have access to CVT's script, then how will they come to know what kinda variables mick88 declared for CVT ?

So even if they make a script related to CVT gamemode, mick would have to rescript it once again, so this makes making "extra helping scriptors" pointless.

Quote from: Deff on February 23, 2012, 21:02

Quote from: DarkMati on February 23, 2012, 14:01

Quote from: Storm94 on February 23, 2012, 02:30

Quote from: Konali on February 22, 2012, 19:21

Quote from: Deff on February 22, 2012, 18:29

Quote from: Ethan on February 22, 2012, 13:45

Quote from: Storm94 on February 22, 2012, 02:31
This is why it wouldnt be a bad idea for him to take on a couple of helpers when it comes to scripting. Even if its just code snippets, I think he could benefit from it.

well the couple people I know who actually can script should simply apply to be a scripter and see if they can help Mick out.. helping him may have a better chance of some of these things getting added or changed... like beezl said in one of the posts, you can script the game-mode but yet you may be able to help him do other changes and have it be a less of a burden since he is the only scripter for this server

Having another scriptor means he will have access to CVT's script which could sell or result in making a duplicate server.
So mick88 should NOT trust anyone. People should give him scripts in admin PM instead, he can modify them and apply to server if he wants.

Secondly, another scriptor can ruin the gamemode as well. mick88 has made everything perfectly organized and coordinated in the server.

I mentioned other scripters because that would allow mick to have the basic stuff written for him. The basic idea was, help scripters could look at suggestions and when mick thinks that suggestion would work, the help scripters script the basic stuff. In my opinion they dont need acces to the gamemode because they would only help with starting up.  And some suggestions are simple to script so mick could just copy it from them.

Exactly. I wouldnt want access to the main gamemode. That way, if something were to happen, my hands are clean. If he were to give access, he could make us sign a NDA (Non-Disclosure Agreement), that way if we do take anything, or tell anyone, he can take legal action against us.

Deff are you blind?

Quote from: DarkMatiand as Storm said if you ever need help mick tell us, we can help you, not touching your gamemode because that will never pass

Not completely blind, just got weak eyesight and night blindness :)


Back on topic:
If the scriptors wont have access to CVT's script, then how will they come to know what kinda variables mick88 declared for CVT ?

So even if they make a script related to CVT gamemode, mick would have to rescript it once again, so this makes making "extra helping scriptors" pointless.

Obviously youve never scripted. Most SAMP code is interchangeable. Its as easy as mick copying and pasting our code, and changing some defined constants, such as colors for messages and things like that.

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Quote from: Deff on February 23, 2012, 21:02

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This is why it wouldnt be a bad idea for him to take on a couple of helpers when it comes to scripting. Even if its just code snippets, I think he could benefit from it.

well the couple people I know who actually can script should simply apply to be a scripter and see if they can help Mick out.. helping him may have a better chance of some of these things getting added or changed... like beezl said in one of the posts, you can script the game-mode but yet you may be able to help him do other changes and have it be a less of a burden since he is the only scripter for this server

Having another scriptor means he will have access to CVT's script which could sell or result in making a duplicate server.
So mick88 should NOT trust anyone. People should give him scripts in admin PM instead, he can modify them and apply to server if he wants.

Secondly, another scriptor can ruin the gamemode as well. mick88 has made everything perfectly organized and coordinated in the server.

I mentioned other scripters because that would allow mick to have the basic stuff written for him. The basic idea was, help scripters could look at suggestions and when mick thinks that suggestion would work, the help scripters script the basic stuff. In my opinion they dont need acces to the gamemode because they would only help with starting up.  And some suggestions are simple to script so mick could just copy it from them.

Exactly. I wouldnt want access to the main gamemode. That way, if something were to happen, my hands are clean. If he were to give access, he could make us sign a NDA (Non-Disclosure Agreement), that way if we do take anything, or tell anyone, he can take legal action against us.

Deff are you blind?

Quote from: DarkMatiand as Storm said if you ever need help mick tell us, we can help you, not touching your gamemode because that will never pass

Not completely blind, just got weak eyesight and night blindness :)


Back on topic:
If the scriptors wont have access to CVT's script, then how will they come to know what kinda variables mick88 declared for CVT ?

So even if they make a script related to CVT gamemode, mick would have to rescript it once again, so this makes making "extra helping scriptors" pointless.

Obviously youve never scripted. Most SAMP code is interchangeable. Its as easy as mick copying and pasting our code, and changing some defined constants, such as colors for messages and things like that.

We dont need to script always, sometimes mick can tell us for example that he wants to do something but he dont know how to script it, so he can ask us and we can find ways to make the script shorter and more efficient, we can help him searching functions, i dont know, there is alot of things we can help as scripters, when another scripter or someone tells you their ideas you start to think ways to script it and that will be helpful for mick because he can script more fast with our help. In the case a script needs a variable i think there is no problem if he tells us that variables names, because you can not steal a gamemode by getting the name of a variable.

Quote from: DarkMati on February 24, 2012, 00:10

Quote from: Storm94 on February 23, 2012, 22:23

Quote from: Deff on February 23, 2012, 21:02

Quote from: DarkMati on February 23, 2012, 14:01

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Quote from: Konali on February 22, 2012, 19:21

Quote from: Deff on February 22, 2012, 18:29

Quote from: Ethan on February 22, 2012, 13:45

Quote from: Storm94 on February 22, 2012, 02:31
This is why it wouldnt be a bad idea for him to take on a couple of helpers when it comes to scripting. Even if its just code snippets, I think he could benefit from it.

well the couple people I know who actually can script should simply apply to be a scripter and see if they can help Mick out.. helping him may have a better chance of some of these things getting added or changed... like beezl said in one of the posts, you can script the game-mode but yet you may be able to help him do other changes and have it be a less of a burden since he is the only scripter for this server

Having another scriptor means he will have access to CVT's script which could sell or result in making a duplicate server.
So mick88 should NOT trust anyone. People should give him scripts in admin PM instead, he can modify them and apply to server if he wants.

Secondly, another scriptor can ruin the gamemode as well. mick88 has made everything perfectly organized and coordinated in the server.

I mentioned other scripters because that would allow mick to have the basic stuff written for him. The basic idea was, help scripters could look at suggestions and when mick thinks that suggestion would work, the help scripters script the basic stuff. In my opinion they dont need acces to the gamemode because they would only help with starting up.  And some suggestions are simple to script so mick could just copy it from them.

Exactly. I wouldnt want access to the main gamemode. That way, if something were to happen, my hands are clean. If he were to give access, he could make us sign a NDA (Non-Disclosure Agreement), that way if we do take anything, or tell anyone, he can take legal action against us.

Deff are you blind?

Quote from: DarkMatiand as Storm said if you ever need help mick tell us, we can help you, not touching your gamemode because that will never pass

Not completely blind, just got weak eyesight and night blindness :)


Back on topic:
If the scriptors wont have access to CVT's script, then how will they come to know what kinda variables mick88 declared for CVT ?

So even if they make a script related to CVT gamemode, mick would have to rescript it once again, so this makes making "extra helping scriptors" pointless.

Obviously youve never scripted. Most SAMP code is interchangeable. Its as easy as mick copying and pasting our code, and changing some defined constants, such as colors for messages and things like that.

We dont need to script always, sometimes mick can tell us for example that he wants to do something but he dont know how to script it, so he can ask us and we can find ways to make the script shorter and more efficient, we can help him searching functions, i dont know, there is alot of things we can help as scripters, when another scripter or someone tells you their ideas you start to think ways to script it and that will be helpful for mick because he can script more fast with our help. In the case a script needs a variable i think there is no problem if he tells us that variables names, because you can not steal a gamemode by getting the name of a variable.

Hmm i get your point guys.
So lets hope mick88 will think about helpers which can help him for making scripts.
So just like mappers/mods can give their applications , scriptors can give too. They can then script things told to them by mick88.

Yes because big convoys are slow and this is a chance to get more money

Quote from: Marccc on February 19, 2012, 18:45
Driving IN CONVOY was the FUN of this server, but since we have no good convoys anymore the totally fun is gone.

Actually Marccc is right bcs... Those rookies know only fast missions rushing blah blah blah... And who did it to them? We did. Bcs in smaller convoys u can do faster missions. They do the rushing in big convoy and it would make so big Chaos lol. But i have been in convoy with 20ppl it was made by me. It was so good feeling to be in it and as a leader  ::)

(http://i.imgur.com/J1bF8.png)

This server is CONVOY TRUCKING...I last time I never seen a convoy who have more than 10 players:|

So I agreee

+1

This is a very nice suggestion Kon. It should make bigger convoys. Smart suggesting

Quote from: Konali on February 19, 2012, 21:18
well limits as 20 max would be ok. and just a small bonus for each truck in your convoy. something like 100$ perhaps so then 20*150$ will be a 3000 convoy bonus when its a 20 players convoy at max.

Sure with the current system we can do big convoys, but having a payment based on how big the convoy is is more stimulating to do it:) and no it doesnt have to be very very much. 100.000 per mission would be to sick. 25k-30k perhaps.:)

25k-30k is too much because it kind of beats most fuel missions. Around 20-15k and you have more of my support :)

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Quote from: Konali on February 19, 2012, 21:18
well limits as 20 max would be ok. and just a small bonus for each truck in your convoy. something like 100$ perhaps so then 20*150$ will be a 3000 convoy bonus when its a 20 players convoy at max.

Sure with the current system we can do big convoys, but having a payment based on how big the convoy is is more stimulating to do it:) and no it doesnt have to be very very much. 100.000 per mission would be to sick. 25k-30k perhaps. :)

25k-30k is too much because it kind of beats most fuel missions. Around 20-15k and you have more of my support :)

That was a comment before i suggested the new system to encourage bigger convoys and have a new variable to work for in CT. The idea is fine, but it would take alot of time to script it etc. So i dont think we will see this someday in CT:( but i have tried and to me thats worth something:)

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Quote from: Calvingreen17 on March 23, 2012, 00:32

Quote from: Konali on February 19, 2012, 21:18
well limits as 20 max would be ok. and just a small bonus for each truck in your convoy. something like 100$ perhaps so then 20*150$ will be a 3000 convoy bonus when its a 20 players convoy at max.

Sure with the current system we can do big convoys, but having a payment based on how big the convoy is is more stimulating to do it:) and no it doesnt have to be very very much. 100.000 per mission would be to sick. 25k-30k perhaps. :)

25k-30k is too much because it kind of beats most fuel missions. Around 20-15k and you have more of my support :)

That was a comment before i suggested the new system to encourage bigger convoys and have a new variable to work for in CT. The idea is fine, but it would take alot of time to script it etc. So i dont think we will see this someday in CT:( but i have tried and to me thats worth something:)

Yeah it is. Very nice :P

Yay :)


Check the new changelog, mick added this:

Quote from: Konali on March 27, 2012, 13:50
Yay :)


Check the new changelog, mick added this:

Added "Convoy Score" - increases by 1 for every player in convoy after completing mission. The more players in convoy, the more it increases. It's just a stat and there are no rewards for it yet.

Well this is pretty much the basics of my suggestion and i wanna thank mick for it:) Its still very basic but one hell of a start:)

Really mick great job:):)

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