What's the goal of the administrators?

Started by GHOST, November 07, 2012, 10:30

GHOST

QuoteAll my posts are addressed to mick since I just found out that he's the ONLY person in charge of the development of the server. Apparently admins got offended because they thought I'm talking about them.

I have a very simple curiosity, 99.9% of the suggestions are being denied and locked (moderators show us a thread in which the admin listed all the things that have been requested and denied). After reading that thread, I noticed that every imaginary suggestion that we might have is listed there...in other words there's nothing left to suggest and that means: Suggestions Thread is purely for esthetics.

My curiosity is very simple, I want to read some "competent" reasons for which every single suggestion is being denied. And I don't want answers like "it can't be done" because a lot of the suggestions CAN BE DONE !!!

Oh, and special greetings to the one who's going to lock the topic because my topic content isn't what the administration board would like to hear/read.

Hobo

99% have been locked because they either have been put into the server or they haven't. The others are up for discussion.
You are playing on a server that is nearly three years old. Of course things have been suggested. All the obvious suggestions have already been suggested. Why were some denied? A lot were denied because the server scripter / owner didn't like them or thought they would make things too easy or maybe the suggestion would annoy some people.
All suggestions are considered but some just wont happen because they give too much of an advantage or they aren't needed.


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Konali

As you might know, this server has only one scripter. In the 2,5 years that this server exists, we had hundreds of suggestions.
So i think you can imagine to that the first 3 times you get a good reason why it cant be added, but after so many times seeing the same thing getting suggested, the motivation why it cannot be added will be shorter:P


Besides that, Mick has to decide if a suggestion is worthly enough to be added to the gamemode. He reads every suggestion and every now and then he does add suggestions that where made by players. But some things are just not suitable or cost to much time to create.
:cmastree:


Quote from: TheSandman on November 26, 2012, 13:53
There you go, cop didnt have a car and one was spawned for him.
Admins are helpers, not monsters.
Quote from: Calvingreen17. on January 15, 2013, 20:53
And i just want to take this moment that i have to thank you SO much for giving me the chance to be a moderator. I really enjoyed it, and although I made bad decisions (like playing MW3 too much haha xD), I really really did enjoy helping players like never before. You were my role model, you were the best admin I had seen in years, and there will never be another one like you.

It will take another to replace me, but I dont think CT can recover if they lose you bro, I wish you the best.

(Pretty sure you hear stuff like this every day XD You're like Chuck norris)
Quote from: mick88 on February 12, 2013, 23:28
It's unfair that admins can teleport to buy house, and reset their own camping score, but we have to trust that they won't abuse it. We have to trust them anyway, because the server is in their hands. Without admins server is nothing.

GHOST

#3
To avoid a future conflict because after reading what I posted, I somehow get the wrong idea too. I don't have a problem with suggestions being denied, that's not my point. It's not my server, I'm not an administrator so they can do what ever they want with it.

My point is that I would like to see a reason or a simple answer instead of someone saying NO and locking the topic. For example if I suggest "Hey, why don't you multiply the house slots by 1 million", someone will come and say no and then lock the topic. What's so hard to say "it can't be done cause the vehicle slots on the server are not unlimited" and then lock the topic if you love it so much.

That's my point, give a simple reply for which the idea was rejected instead of locking the topic and leaving 10 billion suggestions without a competent deny reason.

I want to know for example the reason for which fire truck missions or boat missions won't be added because I couldn't find a reply with a reason for their rejection. Oh and I'm also very curious about ELM (the police lights mod). From what I understand it's not allowed because other players can see it? It's that the only reason? Well how many actual players have a problem with it? I personally prefer to see a player with ELM then that stupid stock effects.

Matias

ELM is not allowed since it restores your car health back to 1000 and it means health hack that ends with a ban.

GHOST

see how easy it was to reply with a reason?

Off - restores the car health? How's that mod made lol :o? I mean what's the connection between lights and car's health? But a lot of servers allow it though...maybe they allow car fix too....idk

Matias

Quote from: GHOST on November 07, 2012, 14:37
see how easy it was to reply with a reason?

Off - restores the car health? How's that mod made lol :o? I mean what's the connection between lights and car's health? But a lot of servers allow it though...maybe they allow car fix too....idk

The mod fixes your car by a stupid reason, by the way theres a new ELM mod that doesnt restore your vehicle health, someone posted it at this forum, you maybe can search for it.

Edit: Found the link. Here its: http://www.forum.convoytrucking.net/index.php/topic,29284.0.html

Marccc

QuoteI want to know for example the reason for which fire truck missions or boat missions won't be added because I couldn't find a reply with a reason for their rejection.

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GHOST

#8
Might wanna ease up with the bold letters and your attitude, I know you probably think you're important cause you're a mod but it ain't working for you with me. I asked for a competent reason not "I'm a lazy **** and I do what I want, when ever I want"

That's why I said the Suggestions Thread is purely for esthetics, nobody cares what ideas we have. Administration board adds new things according to their own plan and ideas, not OUR ideas. So here comes the initial question, what's the goal of the administrators? The server is fun...til you start finishing your last achievements and then realize you have a lot of money and can't do anything with em. The fun factor kinda goes away after playing for a while. Since every suggestion is denied exactly for the reason you insistently highlighted, even the tiniest idea that might make the server a little bit more fun and enjoyable has no chance.

So with a more direct approach, we don't really do anything on the server except driving around. No fun way to spend money, no time management features, no nothing. The difference between a member with 100 million $ and 1 million $ is that the richer member can buy a lot of useless cars...that's it.

To me, honestly it looks like the goal is to keep the server as boring as possible and rejecting any "fun feature" while hoping the members won't notice it or won't leave. Well they won't leave because the server is addicting (I'll give you that) but they do noticed the lack of interest from the administration board in developing the server based on our ideas too and they're not happy about it. The only problem is that 99% of them will never point this problems out cause they are scared of getting banned and it's easier to look good in the admins eyes and totally agree with them. That's why I am the only person who will make this problems public cause I'm idiot enough to do it.

So Suggestions Thread = waste of typing

Konali

Now stop the bullshit


As player and as staff member i have suggested several things that got added, as did other members of CT.
We as administration , do not decide what gets added or not, Mick does, and he has always done that, eventually we got to a list of rejected things.


If you are to stubborn to realise that topics that make it to the ''previously suggested/rejected list'' have been rejected before WITH a reason. This mick or staff locks topics that have been rejected before.


Instead of complaining, and making false accusations you could indeed try to suggest something usefull yourself.


If you are to stubborn to read what i have posted before, it is not our fault that you dont get the simple thing that we only have 1 scripter, and only 1 boss. Admins and mods do not decide if something shoudl get added, mick does.
I suggested ~20 things, 5 got accepted, 15 rejected.
:cmastree:


Quote from: TheSandman on November 26, 2012, 13:53
There you go, cop didnt have a car and one was spawned for him.
Admins are helpers, not monsters.
Quote from: Calvingreen17. on January 15, 2013, 20:53
And i just want to take this moment that i have to thank you SO much for giving me the chance to be a moderator. I really enjoyed it, and although I made bad decisions (like playing MW3 too much haha xD), I really really did enjoy helping players like never before. You were my role model, you were the best admin I had seen in years, and there will never be another one like you.

It will take another to replace me, but I dont think CT can recover if they lose you bro, I wish you the best.

(Pretty sure you hear stuff like this every day XD You're like Chuck norris)
Quote from: mick88 on February 12, 2013, 23:28
It's unfair that admins can teleport to buy house, and reset their own camping score, but we have to trust that they won't abuse it. We have to trust them anyway, because the server is in their hands. Without admins server is nothing.

GHOST

#10
I'm not accusing admins who only make sure rules are followed (cause you went in rage mod from the looks of it), I'm accusing who ever can make this things happen. If mick is the only guy who can add new things, then he's the one I'm addressing to. How should I know that the real administration board (who is in charge of developing the server) is made out of one man only?

And no, I'm not stubborn, I'm just idiot enough to tell a person straight in his face what I feel about a certain subject without giving a fuck about their status (money, job, function etc.). Sadly not everybody is used with direct persons, that's what shocks you.

Anyway, enough of this subject, I had fun taking out the ghosts from CVTs closet, can't wait for the server to come online and see how many admins will hate me and can't wait to ban me for something. As you probably noticed, authority doesn't mean anything to me.

Peace

Konali

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Might wanna ease up with the bold letters and your attitude, I know you probably think you're important cause you're a mod but it ain't working for you with me. I asked for a competent reason not "I'm a lazy **** and I do what I want, when ever I want"


That's why I said the Suggestions Thread is purely for esthetics, nobody cares what ideas we have. Administration board adds new things according to their own plan and ideas, not OUR ideas.


So Suggestions Thread = waste of typing
What you typed before you editted it, after i replied to this, not your new story.
You called me lazy, you raged on marccc, while everything he said is basicly everything you need to know, and if you cant understand that, yes you are stubborn my friend.  You clearly dont have an idea how this works, or how to read:
QuoteAdministration board adds new things according to their own plan and ideas, not OUR ideas.
You make accusations against me, or any other moderator or admin here, offcourse i am alittle but raged, but then again i seem to have every right to it.


Its simple: you failed to read this: 
Quote from: mick88 on November 26, 2010, 06:27
Remember: "suggestions" means suggestions. This board is not for posting requests or demands. All threads are read by me, but I will reply only to few of them if needed. Ultimately it's up to me whether new features will be added or not.
Mick is the owner, he decides, we enforce rules. Think before you start to accuse the whole administration team. 
p.s. : no i wont hate you , nor will i ban you, and i am used to direct in the face comments, its how i replied back to you anyway, just read the damn stickied topics next time.
:cmastree:


Quote from: TheSandman on November 26, 2012, 13:53
There you go, cop didnt have a car and one was spawned for him.
Admins are helpers, not monsters.
Quote from: Calvingreen17. on January 15, 2013, 20:53
And i just want to take this moment that i have to thank you SO much for giving me the chance to be a moderator. I really enjoyed it, and although I made bad decisions (like playing MW3 too much haha xD), I really really did enjoy helping players like never before. You were my role model, you were the best admin I had seen in years, and there will never be another one like you.

It will take another to replace me, but I dont think CT can recover if they lose you bro, I wish you the best.

(Pretty sure you hear stuff like this every day XD You're like Chuck norris)
Quote from: mick88 on February 12, 2013, 23:28
It's unfair that admins can teleport to buy house, and reset their own camping score, but we have to trust that they won't abuse it. We have to trust them anyway, because the server is in their hands. Without admins server is nothing.

GHOST

got this part ? "How should I know that the real administration board (who is in charge of developing the server) is made out of one man only" And you might also want to check out who's the poster of the rules Marcc gave me? How the hell am I calling you lazy? Are you the person who posted those 2 rules?

and raging on Marcc? No, I can have a decent conversation, I just told him to ease up with the "I'm the boss" attitude

Konali

Quote from: GHOST on November 07, 2012, 15:57
got this part ? "How should I know that the real administration board (who is in charge of developing the server) is made out of one man only" And you might also want to check out who's the poster of the rules Marcc gave me? How the hell am I calling you lazy? Are you the person who posted those 2 rules?


I love a good arguement. And yes you did before you edditted your replies. But lets go back to the point, No the administration team does not decide whats get added or not. The only thing we have influence on is setting rules to most recent standards, enforcing those rules and resolving problems.


Besides that, we are just like normal players, we have to wait and see what mick brings us for suprises as in new updates.
As i explained before, he is just alone, and a script needs to be tested very carefully before releasing it, and it might be exploited if it isnt tested carefully.  So no, since this server exists 2,5 years+ now, alot of suggestions have been made, and yes alot get locked, but that is all because mick at some moment said/stated that it cannot be done or it is not worht it, or it just is against mick's plan with Ct.


I map for CT, that is how i can make it fun here, we get alot of freedom as mappers, and i want to thank mick for that. So you might have good suggestions, but they will not be as good in mick his eyes.
:cmastree:


Quote from: TheSandman on November 26, 2012, 13:53
There you go, cop didnt have a car and one was spawned for him.
Admins are helpers, not monsters.
Quote from: Calvingreen17. on January 15, 2013, 20:53
And i just want to take this moment that i have to thank you SO much for giving me the chance to be a moderator. I really enjoyed it, and although I made bad decisions (like playing MW3 too much haha xD), I really really did enjoy helping players like never before. You were my role model, you were the best admin I had seen in years, and there will never be another one like you.

It will take another to replace me, but I dont think CT can recover if they lose you bro, I wish you the best.

(Pretty sure you hear stuff like this every day XD You're like Chuck norris)
Quote from: mick88 on February 12, 2013, 23:28
It's unfair that admins can teleport to buy house, and reset their own camping score, but we have to trust that they won't abuse it. We have to trust them anyway, because the server is in their hands. Without admins server is nothing.

GHOST

#14
Ok, final clarification:

1. I really am sorry for the misunderstanding, I didn't know the development team is made out of 1 person. I didn't know that every moderator and admin on this server (except the owner) has no power over the things I mentioned in my previous posts. So for this, I'm saying sorry to all the mods/admins even though I wasn't addressing to them.

2. No, I didn't called you lazy since you're name isn't even mentioned. I say again, the rule that Marcc gave me can pretty much mean the same thing I said (the thing that you decided it's me calling you lazy). So I ask again, who's the original poster of those 2 rules and how did you come to this conclusion, me calling you lazy? I simply interpreted them.

Trust me, if I'm stupid enough to say all the things I just said, I'm also stupid enough to call you lazy straight up. But again, you're free to understand what you want, I still haven't called you lazy.

PS - I'm pretty sure you are quit aware of my behavior on the server, I use the chat once every 10 years, I ignore almost everybody, I just drive and mind my own business. I'm not looking to be Miss Popular and I can back up this statement by simply saying that I have only 1 friend I can count on this server (and that is sardarji who I can safely say he is close to a true friend in reality even though I never met the dude) and a few people who are nice to me and we simply exchange a few words...and you're still part of this people cause overall, you've been nice to me and helped me out with a lot of problems. In other words my "CVT social life" is almost in-existent because I have no interest in making myself noticed. So this should be obvious to you that all my posts in this thread aren't meant to insult, accuse or start arguments like you consider.